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Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

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  • stuartb@social.teamb.spaceS stuartb@social.teamb.space

    @benroyce @_elena @Gargron
    I don't even trust The Guardian - too many of their "journalists" are trust fund babies who can't get jobs doing anything else, who regard poverty as a hypothetical rather than something that too many people know from experience, and are just as ready to throw trans folk under the bus as their right wing counterparts.

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    #29

    @stuartb @_elena @Gargron

    i remember that

    for anyone not familiar with The Guardian's betrayal of trans rights:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk

    all i have to say in return is that with nonprofit media there is a chance for correction. while for-profit news media, they take over the managing editor positions with right wing venture capital and so trans rights will never be honored, will be always attacked

    my point is in general about for-profit vs nonprofit, not a specific defense of The Guardian

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    • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

      @_elena how many politicians, organisations and journalists will join - because then the masses will join. If we want that is another question.

      So yes, it's just one of these "quick" broadcast contributions where an author doesn't interview people directly (or did he?) and graps the informations on the desk. And these were definitively the press release/publicity of Zeiter ...

      @Gargron

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      #30

      @NatureMC @_elena @Gargron Is the lack of big capital a bug or a feature? I’m pretty sure most current users view it as a feature.

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      • z_zed_zed@universeodon.comZ z_zed_zed@universeodon.com

        @NatureMC @_elena @Gargron Is the lack of big capital a bug or a feature? I’m pretty sure most current users view it as a feature.

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        #31

        @Z_Zed_Zed @NatureMC @Gargron one of my favorite features to be honest (top 3!)

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        • z_zed_zed@universeodon.comZ z_zed_zed@universeodon.com

          @NatureMC @_elena @Gargron Is the lack of big capital a bug or a feature? I’m pretty sure most current users view it as a feature.

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          #32

          @Z_Zed_Zed Therefore, I wrote: If we want that is another question."

          Personally, I like that the Fediverse is growing in a sustainable and quite organic way, especially since some admins of smaller servers are often on the brink of financial ruin, lacking donations. But we also have to support this - and watch how the really big accounts go elsewhere.

          @_elena @Gargron

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          • sloanlance@mastodon.socialS sloanlance@mastodon.social

            @_elena @Gargron
            My favorite French press…

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            #33

            @sloanlance

            Ah bon ? C'est french ?

            @_elena @Gargron

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            • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

              @aaronmccollum That's my impression too: it was a quick production because Zeiter's press release was on the table, so they quickly opened a blog page for a second structure, took a look, wrote something, and that was it.

              These three-minute pieces are done under enormous time pressure. And very few listeners remember them afterwards.

              @laxsill @_elena

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              #34

              @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

              my mother was a reporter and editor. she got me a part time job in high school at her newspaper

              i've watched her work since i was in diapers and so i understand through her time pressure in journalism

              but that is no defense for shoddy work

              nor do people just forget

              in fact the lies, intentional or unintentional, that appear in the press have debilitating effects on the common perception of truth

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                "Journalism" today

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                #35

                @_elena @Gargron I foresee all those blind lemmings who left centralised platform X because one person started pulling the strings there with an undesirable fascist result, and then fled to a similar centralised platform, Bluesky, where ICE is suddenly allowed, now fleeing again to yet another centralised platform, W, only to find out in a few years' time that it's the same shit.

                Donkeys don't stumble over the same stone twice!

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                  Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                  In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                  Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                  You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                  "Journalism" today

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                  #36

                  @_elena @Gargron

                  Humans make mistakes.

                  Here is a page where you can write him. They will probably mention the mistake and correct it in another podcast:

                  https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/contact

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

                    my mother was a reporter and editor. she got me a part time job in high school at her newspaper

                    i've watched her work since i was in diapers and so i understand through her time pressure in journalism

                    but that is no defense for shoddy work

                    nor do people just forget

                    in fact the lies, intentional or unintentional, that appear in the press have debilitating effects on the common perception of truth

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                    #37

                    @benroyce
                    We *completely* agree!

                    France Culture was repeatedly in the headlines until 2023 due to despotic conditions towards employees/political influence (and also financial difficulties):
                    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Culture#Directions
                    With the new boss, a lot seems to have improved. But I have seen their reporters at local appointments who were unprepared and wanted to finish as quickly as possible. And therefore, reporting mistakes. 🙄

                    @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

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                    • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                      @benroyce
                      We *completely* agree!

                      France Culture was repeatedly in the headlines until 2023 due to despotic conditions towards employees/political influence (and also financial difficulties):
                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Culture#Directions
                      With the new boss, a lot seems to have improved. But I have seen their reporters at local appointments who were unprepared and wanted to finish as quickly as possible. And therefore, reporting mistakes. 🙄

                      @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

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                      #38

                      @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

                      oof

                      thanks for the info

                      we need nonprofit alternatives to journalism, badly

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                        Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                        In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                        Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                        You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                        "Journalism" today

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                        #39
                        I also hate the French press. It's impossible to clean. #☕️
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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                          Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                          In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                          Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                          You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                          "Journalism" today

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                          #40

                          @_elena @imacrea
                          C’est un problème quand on doit écrire l’article si vite qu’on n’a même pas le temps de faire des recherches correctes. Le “journalisme” moderne est inutile.

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                          • N nickbergencomputerquest@mastodon.social

                            @_elena @imacrea
                            C’est un problème quand on doit écrire l’article si vite qu’on n’a même pas le temps de faire des recherches correctes. Le “journalisme” moderne est inutile.

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                            #41

                            @_elena @imacrea

                            In November 2025, Eugen Rochko stepped down as Mastodon CEO, and he transferred the trademark and assets to Mastodon. He did NOT cancel his account or any instances. It’s still there. The “journalist” could have check.
                            https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/my-next-chapter-with-mastodon

                            In January 2026, he opted his Mastodon account out of the Bluesky bridge. This was supposedly because of the user behavior at Bsky. But I cannot find a direct statement about him leaving because of users.
                            https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/115912977448929626

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

                              my mother was a reporter and editor. she got me a part time job in high school at her newspaper

                              i've watched her work since i was in diapers and so i understand through her time pressure in journalism

                              but that is no defense for shoddy work

                              nor do people just forget

                              in fact the lies, intentional or unintentional, that appear in the press have debilitating effects on the common perception of truth

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                              #42

                              @benroyce worth mentioning your Neil Postman connection too Ben for the extra cred 😉

                              The LinkedIn profile of that French journalist is really alarming because he's been a teacher of journalism at La Sorbonne and has published several books on tech. He's a radio producer and host. It's shocking that he would share such blatant lies. Shocking I tell you!

                              He even has a Wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Saltiel

                              @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill

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                                @_elena @imacrea

                                In November 2025, Eugen Rochko stepped down as Mastodon CEO, and he transferred the trademark and assets to Mastodon. He did NOT cancel his account or any instances. It’s still there. The “journalist” could have check.
                                https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/my-next-chapter-with-mastodon

                                In January 2026, he opted his Mastodon account out of the Bluesky bridge. This was supposedly because of the user behavior at Bsky. But I cannot find a direct statement about him leaving because of users.
                                https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/115912977448929626

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                                #43

                                @NickBergenComputerQuest you can't "find a direct statement about him leaving because of users" because it's a complete fabrication by that so-called journalist / radio host.

                                I repeat, a complete fabrication. And my jaw is still on the floor.

                                Thank you @imacrea for bringing to our attention that shocking paragraph

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  @NickBergenComputerQuest you can't "find a direct statement about him leaving because of users" because it's a complete fabrication by that so-called journalist / radio host.

                                  I repeat, a complete fabrication. And my jaw is still on the floor.

                                  Thank you @imacrea for bringing to our attention that shocking paragraph

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                                  #44

                                  @_elena @imacrea Well, that makes sense why it’s a little tough to find then. Which LLM hallucinated that, when it was writing their story.

                                  These people give journalists such a bad name. But by the time you dig into the misinformation, they have 10 more stories up.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    @benroyce worth mentioning your Neil Postman connection too Ben for the extra cred 😉

                                    The LinkedIn profile of that French journalist is really alarming because he's been a teacher of journalism at La Sorbonne and has published several books on tech. He's a radio producer and host. It's shocking that he would share such blatant lies. Shocking I tell you!

                                    He even has a Wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Saltiel

                                    @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill

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                                    #45

                                    @_elena @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill

                                    Yup. NYU Media Ecology track Master of Arts grad here, Neil Postman was my thesis advisor

                                    (now called the Media, Culture, and Communication dept, I'm old)

                                    and François Saltiel needs to learn a little thing called integrity

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @laxsill @_elena

                                      oof

                                      thanks for the info

                                      we need nonprofit alternatives to journalism, badly

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                                      #46

                                      @benroyce @NatureMC @aaronmccollum @_elena i love print media, I've been on the board of several small ones and written for a bunch, but that only makes me more critical when they fuck up

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                                        Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                                        In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                                        Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                                        You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                                        "Journalism" today

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                                        #47

                                        Update: Radio France removed the last paragraph in the piece that claimed " @Gargron had quit his own social network [Mastodon] because he was fed up the behavior of certain users."

                                        But this preposterous lie is still in their radio broadcast. The clip has been up for 10 HOURS now.

                                        Maybe @Mastodon could use this as leverage to set the record straight and get some exposure with French listeners.

                                        I'm this close to getting my LinkedIn account out of hibernation to write to Radio France about it

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          Update: Radio France removed the last paragraph in the piece that claimed " @Gargron had quit his own social network [Mastodon] because he was fed up the behavior of certain users."

                                          But this preposterous lie is still in their radio broadcast. The clip has been up for 10 HOURS now.

                                          Maybe @Mastodon could use this as leverage to set the record straight and get some exposure with French listeners.

                                          I'm this close to getting my LinkedIn account out of hibernation to write to Radio France about it

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                                          #48

                                          @_elena @Gargron @Mastodon don't trust french public radio

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