I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
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@johnzajac Sorry, but I strongly disagree that it's been 26 years since Y2K. It's only been two or three... Right? Right?!?
@stanley@heretic.social @johnzajac@dice.camp you just made me realize that we are closer to the y2k38 bug than to the y2k bug.
2038 felt so far away back then...
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@stanley@heretic.social @johnzajac@dice.camp you just made me realize that we are closer to the y2k38 bug than to the y2k bug.
2038 felt so far away back then...
@JD557 @johnzajac I mentioned the 2038 Epochalypse to my (much younger) coworkers and was surprised they thought "Y2K turned out to be nothing". I had to explain that a lot of people worked hard to turn it into nothing.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
I did a lot of Y2K work at a big appliance outfit in Louisville KY.
The problem was real, everyone had been warned, the fixes were often quite troublesome, but it was good for the economy and good for the profession of software.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac My company did a lot of Y2K work back in the day, and it was absolutely real.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac@dice.camp idk how I get to feel smart for the "because we caught it" being the lesson I had learned from the story. Thinking that it's a hoax when there's a very simple logical explanation of what the problem is is pretty crazy to me
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@johnzajac Agree and I'm curious how you would teach and have impact. The counter-factual (ignoring the Y2K threat) is hard for most people or they don't care. I think had Y2K followed 9/11 the same effort wouldn't have materialized because with fear many just give up.
Could it be a combination of history "ending", our political class turning away from people and towards their owner/operators, and a "number goes up this quarter" mentality that drives almost all business in this day and age?
The ruling class doesn't believe they will be subject to disasters, no matter what they are, because they believe their own propaganda about the absolute power of wealth. That's why they build bunkers instead of lower carbon pollution.
Joke's on them, of course.
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Could it be a combination of history "ending", our political class turning away from people and towards their owner/operators, and a "number goes up this quarter" mentality that drives almost all business in this day and age?
The ruling class doesn't believe they will be subject to disasters, no matter what they are, because they believe their own propaganda about the absolute power of wealth. That's why they build bunkers instead of lower carbon pollution.
Joke's on them, of course.
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It's dispositively true that if you address problems early they end up being cheaper to fix and less destructive. But does it make rich people richer?
In retrospect, I think the neofascist's' total control of our economy and society, and funneling of money to the worst people in the world, will be seen as obvious. "How could those people not see these corrupt criminals for what they were and throw them out windows?" they will ask in 50 years.
The 75 year olds will be like
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@johnzajac Ah, well, I never had any hope for that after our team getting lectured by a boss about wasting all those company resources on year 2000 research, compliance and issue fixing because it was obvious that nothing had happened.
@halla@kde.social @johnzajac@dice.camp shoulda rolled back the fixes and quit on the spot
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It's dispositively true that if you address problems early they end up being cheaper to fix and less destructive. But does it make rich people richer?
In retrospect, I think the neofascist's' total control of our economy and society, and funneling of money to the worst people in the world, will be seen as obvious. "How could those people not see these corrupt criminals for what they were and throw them out windows?" they will ask in 50 years.
The 75 year olds will be like
️If you want to teach folks about prevention vs reaction, you've got to do something about key cultural values like "harm reduction" (which assumes that harm will occur...), individualism (we don't need to worry about that because it won't affect *me*), and systemic precarity (if I make a million dollars today because we didn't solve that problem that will cost someone else a trillion tomorrow, it was worth it)
You also have to break everyone's acculturated futility bias.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac my question : how come the Iran’s internet blocage did not affect international internet communications as happened previously?
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@johnzajac my question : how come the Iran’s internet blocage did not affect international internet communications as happened previously?
I don't know, friend. I'm an opera singer.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac the timei spent napping on our data center tea room's sofa, thec16 hour shifts we pulled flashing firmware. Yeah, safe to say that I agree.
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@Extra_Special_Carbon @mpdg @johnzajac lets focus all OSS efforts on ensuring that a company like MNT research and their products are impervious to the 2038 bug so they can rise like a Pheonix out of the ashes and usher in a kinder world
@fl0und3r @Extra_Special_Carbon @mpdg @johnzajac Most modern 64-bit architectures such as those used by the MNT Reform are already pretty much Y2038-ready. At worst there may be a few remaining relatively shallow problems at application levels, but it's unlikely they'll be too difficult to fix.
The big problems are with 32-bit architectures, so not so much modern desktops/laptops/servers, but older computers and things in the more embedded direction.
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If you want to teach folks about prevention vs reaction, you've got to do something about key cultural values like "harm reduction" (which assumes that harm will occur...), individualism (we don't need to worry about that because it won't affect *me*), and systemic precarity (if I make a million dollars today because we didn't solve that problem that will cost someone else a trillion tomorrow, it was worth it)
You also have to break everyone's acculturated futility bias.
@johnzajac Makes sense, but quite daunting ... yet some of us do get it (none completely, self included) and see through the manipulation: I wonder what makes the difference.
Also I think that "futility bias" you mention is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Conflict_of_Visions#The_constrained_vision
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac acid rain, too
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac I love that at my company the one team that didn’t fix all of their Y2K bugs got a special recognition reward, with money, for failing because they fixed it quickly. That was a bit of a morale killer.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac
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Well, the liquor store sign is not *wrong*. No one born in 1900, or before can buy alcohol today. It's a moot point, as they're all dead.
(And I'm assuming that the sign actually said "on or before," not "after.")
@JeffGrigg @johnzajac yes, i got the details backwards. thanks
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac
I remember a fairly heavy weight policy advocate in Australia falling into that mistake. He didn't understand that he didn't understand and his conclusions were embarrassing.
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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000
Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole
@johnzajac I heard someone scoff at the Y2K bug *yesterday*, but I was doing something else and couldn't explain to them exactly what you're saying, here.
