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I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

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  • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

    @lmk

    Also -

    It's dispositively true that if you address problems early they end up being cheaper to fix and less destructive. But does it make rich people richer?

    In retrospect, I think the neofascist's' total control of our economy and society, and funneling of money to the worst people in the world, will be seen as obvious. "How could those people not see these corrupt criminals for what they were and throw them out windows?" they will ask in 50 years.

    The 75 year olds will be like 🤷‍♂️

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    #162

    @lmk

    If you want to teach folks about prevention vs reaction, you've got to do something about key cultural values like "harm reduction" (which assumes that harm will occur...), individualism (we don't need to worry about that because it won't affect *me*), and systemic precarity (if I make a million dollars today because we didn't solve that problem that will cost someone else a trillion tomorrow, it was worth it)

    You also have to break everyone's acculturated futility bias.

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    • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

      I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

      Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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      #163

      @johnzajac my question : how come the Iran’s internet blocage did not affect international internet communications as happened previously?

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      • clarinette@mastodon.onlineC clarinette@mastodon.online

        @johnzajac my question : how come the Iran’s internet blocage did not affect international internet communications as happened previously?

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        #164

        @clarinette

        I don't know, friend. I'm an opera singer.

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        • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

          I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

          Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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          #165

          @johnzajac the timei spent napping on our data center tea room's sofa, thec16 hour shifts we pulled flashing firmware. Yeah, safe to say that I agree.

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          • F fl0und3r@defcon.social

            @Extra_Special_Carbon @mpdg @johnzajac lets focus all OSS efforts on ensuring that a company like MNT research and their products are impervious to the 2038 bug so they can rise like a Pheonix out of the ashes and usher in a kinder world

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            #166

            @fl0und3r @Extra_Special_Carbon @mpdg @johnzajac Most modern 64-bit architectures such as those used by the MNT Reform are already pretty much Y2038-ready. At worst there may be a few remaining relatively shallow problems at application levels, but it's unlikely they'll be too difficult to fix.

            The big problems are with 32-bit architectures, so not so much modern desktops/laptops/servers, but older computers and things in the more embedded direction.

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            • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

              @lmk

              If you want to teach folks about prevention vs reaction, you've got to do something about key cultural values like "harm reduction" (which assumes that harm will occur...), individualism (we don't need to worry about that because it won't affect *me*), and systemic precarity (if I make a million dollars today because we didn't solve that problem that will cost someone else a trillion tomorrow, it was worth it)

              You also have to break everyone's acculturated futility bias.

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              #167

              @johnzajac Makes sense, but quite daunting ... yet some of us do get it (none completely, self included) and see through the manipulation: I wonder what makes the difference.
              Also I think that "futility bias" you mention is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Conflict_of_Visions#The_constrained_vision
              Here's to turning the tide!

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              • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

                Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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                #168

                @johnzajac acid rain, too

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                • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                  I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

                  Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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                  #169

                  @johnzajac I love that at my company the one team that didn’t fix all of their Y2K bugs got a special recognition reward, with money, for failing because they fixed it quickly. That was a bit of a morale killer.

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                  • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                    I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

                    Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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                    #170

                    @johnzajac
                    Unfortunately there is no glory in prevention.

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                    • jeffgrigg@mastodon.socialJ jeffgrigg@mastodon.social

                      @mrgtwentythree @johnzajac

                      Well, the liquor store sign is not *wrong*. No one born in 1900, or before can buy alcohol today. It's a moot point, as they're all dead.

                      (And I'm assuming that the sign actually said "on or before," not "after.")

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                      #171

                      @JeffGrigg @johnzajac yes, i got the details backwards. thanks 🙂

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                      • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                        I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

                        Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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                        #172
                        @johnzajac

                        I remember a fairly heavy weight policy advocate in Australia falling into that mistake. He didn't understand that he didn't understand and his conclusions were embarrassing.

                        Intellect is no defence against ignorance.
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                        • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                          I wish we had spent the last 26 years teaching people that the reason the 2000 bug didn't destroy a significant amount of our infrastructure is because *we caught it* and *spent thousands of hours fixing it* BEFORE the year 2000

                          Because within that little perplexion - people thinking the problem was a hoax because it was fixed before it destroyed shit - is an encapsulation of the current era of Western politics, including COVID mitigation, lesser evil politics, fascism, and crime rate hyperbole

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                          #173

                          @johnzajac I heard someone scoff at the Y2K bug *yesterday*, but I was doing something else and couldn't explain to them exactly what you're saying, here.

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                          • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                            @human3500 @johnzajac Because we worked sixteen hour days for months on end fixing it.

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                            #174

                            @drwho @human3500 @johnzajac yeah maybe it's just me, but I see no problem with paying workers to work diligently to save us all from global digital collapse. Perhaps those who are so concerned could have a talk with me about how much landlords and CEOs are paid to sit on their asses? Because we could pay y'all for a lot more work with just one of their salaries 🤷

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