Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II.
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman Hard agree.
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman The 1861-1864 conflict wasn't technically a "civil war" because the CSA wasn't trying to take over the whole country - just secede from it. This right now is the first US civil war proper.
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@heidilifeldman Very nice and informative thread!
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman Okay, it has begun, what is the next step? Is the next step a gunfight between ICE and local police?
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman Civil war now? I don't think so, not by a long shot. Whether there will be a civil war will depend on whether the midterm elections in November are banned or delayed (very likely).
Everything will depend on whether Trump is allowed to continue with absolute power without the Senate (including Republicans) doing anything.
If you are referring to it as one of the events that led to a civil war, then yes, it is possible to understand it that way.
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman The South against the north
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman don’t delete this thread. This is good.
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Ranked choice to end the 2-party, same equity extortion coin to choose from every election.
Roll back Citizens United and limit contributions to an honest day's pay.
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@heidilifeldman I feel like if we are to be taken seriously by Allies in the future, we will need to also join the International Criminal Court and be willing to hand over any members of the Administration and military who may be brought up on charges there. We need a concrete lesson for U.S. politicians that international law matters. Our issues are not just domestic.
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Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/
@heidilifeldman I’ve been saying we’ve been in a LIC ( low intensity conflict ) for a while now. Thank you. This is a well done thread. Appreciate your insight.
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The Department of Homeland Security will have to be eliminated and replaced by smaller, more clearly defined and constrained Cabinet department and subordinate agencies. A host of post-9/11 laws will have to be repealed.8/
@heidilifeldman Agreed and also we're probably getting ahead of ourselves here. First we have to win power.
When that does happen, what do we do about the de facto militia Trump has created?
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@cmthiede @msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio Politicians must have no say in any aspect of elections. They must all be run by a completely autonomous body with power to punish offenders and adapt to innovative manipulations.
Jerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, voter ID, age restrictions, incarceration restrictions, ballot locations and ballot stuffing are examples of how politicians will manipulate any and every chink in the electoral armor to their advantage.
I would also introduce compulsory voting as a means of tempering extremism and minimising the attack surface for disenfranchising strategies.
@markd @msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio Absolutely. It's disgusting. We're in the tit for tat stages now, but when this shit first happened in Wisconsin 15 years ago (that's how long it takes to START righting the ship from a certain breed of Righty at the wheel) people passed off any complaints for such a clear lack of integrity as liberal crybaby nonsense. It was merely, "Use all the tools at your disposal to rig the game and own the system, who wouldn't?" Um, someone that wants the best for everyone? FFW to a recent election, where Wisconsinites have just started to crawl out of a rigged voting map cage, and door knockers are dead scared of what will happen if a "certain someone" takes the helm. I laughed out loud. Then it turned into "the squad" running the show. Clueless. The power that one party would have vs the other was not in the same ballpark. They were so scared of an improbable fiction that might happen down the road, that they ran into the arms of one in the making. Hello, from Wisconsin, where it feels like Groundhog's Day.
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@heidilifeldman Civil war now? I don't think so, not by a long shot. Whether there will be a civil war will depend on whether the midterm elections in November are banned or delayed (very likely).
Everything will depend on whether Trump is allowed to continue with absolute power without the Senate (including Republicans) doing anything.
If you are referring to it as one of the events that led to a civil war, then yes, it is possible to understand it that way.
@Ulmo @heidilifeldman I highly doubt elections will be canceled. Most authoritarian regimes still hold them, to make themselves look more legitimate, but engage in major suppression of voters and/or candidates to force the result they want. We've certainly seen that in our own country's history (like before the 1965 Voting Rights Act, now in the process of being dismantled).
I worry that a lot of folks are thinking "well, elections haven't been canceled, so it can't be too bad". Yes it can be.
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Whichever side prevails, a new constitutional settlement will be required. Implementing that settlement will involve reconstruction, as was attempted after American Civil War I and, in Europe and Japan after WW II. It may or may not require or involve explicit constitutional amendments. 5/
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Some Germans say that the democracy the US ‘gave’ Germany after WWII was the one the US really wanted for itself. There are many interesting innovations in the German model which similarly has a state-federal structure. Australia (my country) also has that structure & some voting innovations that have stood the test of time and are still evolving. Doubtless many other models worldwide can contribute to Democracy Mk II to make the US a better country, ally, partner.
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@msbellows here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc.im%2F%40msbellows%2F115918886297001706
Next time, kindly set the visibility to 'Mentioned people only' and mention only me (@mastoreaderio). This ensures we avoid spamming others' timelines and threads unless you intend for others to see the unrolled thread link as well.
Thank you!
#TIL that @mastoreaderio exists and how to use it
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@heidilifeldman Josh Marshall’s list is somewhat more inclusive: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-status-interview-or-how-to-write-up-a-senate-purge-list
Here are some other actions a post-Trump reconstruction government might consider:
- force breakup of media monopolies
- denazify public bodies at all levels of government
- double or triple the size of the House of Representatives
- eliminate or reform the SenateEstablish an essential living threshold.
Transparent threshold – $761 k is derived directly from the average grocery‑share of disposable income for the bottom 99 % of households.
Targeted surcharge – A 90 % marginal tax applies only to income above that level, isolating the ultra‑wealthy while preserving the existing progressive brackets for virtually everyone else.
Minimal administrative change – Updating the statutory threshold and @heidilifeldman
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Establish an essential living threshold.
Transparent threshold – $761 k is derived directly from the average grocery‑share of disposable income for the bottom 99 % of households.
Targeted surcharge – A 90 % marginal tax applies only to income above that level, isolating the ultra‑wealthy while preserving the existing progressive brackets for virtually everyone else.
Minimal administrative change – Updating the statutory threshold and @heidilifeldman
the supplemental filing form is all that’s required; the compliance architecture (automated detection, anti‑avoidance rules, voluntary‑disclosure incentives, and the public‑good credit) stays the same.
Substantial revenue potential – Even with conservative assumptions, the design could generate over $1 trillion annually, providing a powerful fiscal lever without reshaping the broader tax system.
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@heidilifeldman it seems to me that the civil war is fed vs states and for the states to prevail it means ending the federal experiment. At least temporarily to implement the necessary purge of laws and personnel. A “de-baathification” of DC. A “de-magafication” I suppose.
In the interim the states will need to replace services and use captured federal income tax dollars.
Which states?
Red states have had regimes by the bullies for the billionaires for decades, silencing non White Christian voters, rigging the rules, enforcing the law selectively, defunding infrastructure, social services, schools...
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Am still waiting for something i fear will never come:
The army remembers their oath to the constitution(!) and refuses to follow unlawful orders. -
@Ulmo @heidilifeldman I highly doubt elections will be canceled. Most authoritarian regimes still hold them, to make themselves look more legitimate, but engage in major suppression of voters and/or candidates to force the result they want. We've certainly seen that in our own country's history (like before the 1965 Voting Rights Act, now in the process of being dismantled).
I worry that a lot of folks are thinking "well, elections haven't been canceled, so it can't be too bad". Yes it can be.
@JMarkOckerbloom @Ulmo @heidilifeldman that does seem like the endgame of the nonsensical fear mongering about non-citizens voting plus "mail-in ballot fraud" plus ICE targeting community gathering places - make non-white people afraid to show up at the polls and unable to vote without showing up at the polls.
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I hope