Mozilla right now.
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@davidrevoy I already moved to LibreWolf on my desktop, but I'm still looking for an alternative for Firefox on my phone.
@dregntael I'm using Ironfox on my phone, seems good.
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@davidrevoy I'm not sure so far. ML has valid applications, and so far what Mozilla has brought to the table seems very reasonable to me. Most important thing for me is that everything is local and privacy friendly. And the features they have are very reasonable: An alt-text generation model makes a lot of sense for people to whom alt-texts matter. And local translation of websites also sounds like a really nice feature. As far as I see such features will make the web more accessible with better privacy.
For me the most important things are:
1. ML should be local and not send arbitrary data to shady third party services
2. ML should be build to only affect performance when you actually need it
3. ML should provide specific tools, not general purpose blackboxesAlso
4. ML should be trained in a responisble way, which means:
1. Responsible source of training data
2. Resource use of training should be justified by the benefit of the functionalityI remember the time when ML was mosty an exciting University thing, where results were shared, and not some big corporation BS. I am not against going back in that direction.
But you know, digiKam has been using public models for facial recognition and matching for years now. And I don't think anything bad came from it.
I am currently in the position of saying: Wait and see what mozilla does. And if it turns out the wrong way, there are forks. That's the beauty of open source.
@lazy Plenty of good ML research going on at Unis. LLMs and Stable Diffusion are just a microscopic slice of ML and there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with the part that do not require you to steal all intellectual property in the world.
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What i would really, really wish from Mozilla is: Make a thing that does one thing and do it right, in this case: Being a browser.
Yes, i know you can disable the AI crap or any other nuisances, but it would be really nice if they would focus on their main product.
CC: @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org@kptn_offensichtlich @ocramius @davidrevoy they could spin off a Mozilla Research Lab if they've got this much AI scamcoin to burn, let the browser be a browser, make extensions for everything else.
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@kptn_offensichtlich @ocramius @davidrevoy they could spin off a Mozilla Research Lab if they've got this much AI scamcoin to burn, let the browser be a browser, make extensions for everything else.
@patterfloof @kptn_offensichtlich @davidrevoy agreed: FF users know when to use extensions
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@davidrevoy oh no Avian Intelligence
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@lazy Plenty of good ML research going on at Unis. LLMs and Stable Diffusion are just a microscopic slice of ML and there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with the part that do not require you to steal all intellectual property in the world.
@j_bertolotti @lazy I totally agree, and although I often take shortcuts for the sake of efficient communication, my position on LLMs is nuanced.
What worries me the most is that 'AI browsers' have a larger scope by definition. If Firefox wants to join that group, it would also mean getting a built-in assistant that can browse the web automatically, fill in forms and purchase items on the user's behalf.
I know users will be able to turn it off, but I see it as a source of security breach.
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@davidrevoy this is so sad
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@davidrevoy you can check web browsers privacy at https://privacytests.org/ @privacytests
but there is nothing yet about AI.@didier @davidrevoy @privacytests I wish Brave wasn't run by compete spanners
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@kptn_offensichtlich @ocramius @davidrevoy they could spin off a Mozilla Research Lab if they've got this much AI scamcoin to burn, let the browser be a browser, make extensions for everything else.
@kptn_offensichtlich @ocramius @davidrevoy and there"s a default home screen they can put links on for "recommended" extensions
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@davidrevoy oh no, poor fox
️ great work as always, though. Unfortunately also very accurate, but won't get me to move to anything Chrome based, since imho a Browser engine monopoly would be even worse.
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People call LLMs "stochastic parrots" because all they really do is somewhat-randomly repeat what's in their training data in accordance with what you tell them. Definitely unfortunate in your case though.
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@cybird hehe, nice PP, and no offense : it's a character from my recent weekly webcomics, check my TL to read them
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@davidrevoy I have never seen a more true comic filled with such comedic sadness.
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People call LLMs "stochastic parrots" because all they really do is somewhat-randomly repeat what's in their training data in accordance with what you tell them. Definitely unfortunate in your case though.
I should have told myself to try a different sona a few years ago, lol.
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@cybird hehe, nice PP, and no offense : it's a character from my recent weekly webcomics, check my TL to read them
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@j_bertolotti @lazy I totally agree, and although I often take shortcuts for the sake of efficient communication, my position on LLMs is nuanced.
What worries me the most is that 'AI browsers' have a larger scope by definition. If Firefox wants to join that group, it would also mean getting a built-in assistant that can browse the web automatically, fill in forms and purchase items on the user's behalf.
I know users will be able to turn it off, but I see it as a source of security breach.
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz @lazy@fedi.at Yes indeed- so why not move Yes and so 'curl' and 'ffmpeg' both need interactive prompting control! (am being sarcastic but yes the equivalent of this will happen) #agenticcurl
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@davidrevoy oh no, poor fox
️ great work as always, though. Unfortunately also very accurate, but won't get me to move to anything Chrome based, since imho a Browser engine monopoly would be even worse.
@FoxbrushTailwag Same here, and it makes it even more frustrating. I'm still using Firefox after a couple of months of using LibreWolf, which was educational because I could understand many of Firefox's privacy and options that LibreWolf activates by default.
