@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr also excuse me if I don't totally trust an anon account from an unnamed country using US spellings...

You do not pass the vibe check, sorry.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr fine then don't have it in your country. Campaign for it to be dropped entirely in your country.

Don't tell people in other countries how to run things...different situation, different politics, we are not the US.

Also I know something about the dropping of the marker, that was Trump, he caused the headaches, not us?

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr anyway that's your country, not ours.

This is not passing the vibe check as the kids say....

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.

And also I've never heard of that in any country.

Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?

Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.

@syhr @PedestrianError @mynameistillian exactly.

The government have looked into this before and said there wasn't enough people to do the change, so they have considered it.

Also I suspect there are more people who are non-binary who aren't out officially. Chicken and the egg situation.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr are you in the UK?

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr the fact at the start of this you didn't even know what the situation was in the UK makes me wonder if this is a good faith argument at all?

Like this is for UK people to debate and decide....

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr but if you're wanting to destroy the gender binary on all documents....I agree, but good luck with that. This is the first step - if you got a lot of people opting for X then they might realise how ridiculous it is.

But to say the real world will go from gender on passports to none is kind of Tumblr Utopian thinking.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr surely that's the point of an X marker? Anyone - including cis people - can choose to opt out.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr saying you are non-binary publicly ANYWHERE can be used against you.

But some choose to be open about it, like myself. And some choose stealth which is their choice.

Why not have a choice? If we have to have genders on there. But I bet asking for the AGAB on passports would NOT go down well. Try it.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr I agree passports should without your AGAB..

But sadly they aren't. Same goes for birth certificates.

What is your point?

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr No you can't get a passport without a gender marker in the UK. That's what the petition is asking for.

@terminaltilt and then as I've just found with FB, if you become persona non grata they can just erase your entire existence really easily. Easier to control citizens if their data is on servers they don't control.

@mynameistillian @syhr it's not mandatory like in Germany, or indeed the US when they had it. So you can choose not have an X marker.

So not sure where 'forcing' comes from?

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@pascaline @benroyce I struggle to sew now because it was so gendered in school. I'd rather they taught ALL of us to knit and sew....but we did a little sampler work once but it wasm't a thing.

Also being 'knot blind' doesn't help. It's not exactly dyspraxia but something like that, I can't tie knots at all, ties are a problem.

@pascaline @benroyce also sports were gendered - boys had to play rugby, football and sometimes hockey. Only the girls could play tennis which I wanted to play. And I wasn't good at swimming - again I was abandoned cos I didn't progress fast enough and left to the shallow end.

There was no choice, and I didn't like team sports.

@pascaline @benroyce the weird thing?

At break, I was happy to play rounders - someone brought in a ball and bat...or football with a tennis ball with my mates - with one goal made of bags or coats!

But when it came to organised games, I was always picked last and the PE teachers would give me aggro.

So I wasn't against sports, or exercise but something horrible came in when it was made official. Competitiveness is ugly.

@pascaline @benroyce sadly that happens in all sports, holliganism and destruction, football isn't alone in that.

But yes although football is massive here in the UK, I've never got it. Watched the odd World Cup, but not really into sportsball. I was constantly criticised at school for not getting into team sports, and the fans of same can be very homophobic so avoided.

@benroyce I am amazed anyone travels to the US for ANYTHING - be it World Cup or Olympics, They have put our citizens in ICE detention, and those of fellow Europeans.