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@grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The last one was done without a war in 1992. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
I agree that disenfranchising the oligarchy isn't going to be easy, but constitutional amendments have been done within the lifetimes of many (most?) living US citizens. Also, they've been done without violent havoc.
@grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The correct answer to that question is "fuck no!". Name a billionaire former hard working hustler. I bet you can't find even one.
Unless you can find an integer percentage of the US population of them (i.e. a few million), any you do find are a rounding error, and the answer is still "fuck no!".
@su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
For sure, amending a constitution isn't something you do lightly. I think it should be possible to get an amendment like "corporations are not people, and money is not speech" through without breaking too many eggs.
As for hard, it used to be done with the same thresholds.
@su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
To be fair to them, they were writing the constitution more than a century before Duverger was born. What's our excuse?
I think the US sucks at reforming its constitution because its ppl have been persuaded that it's weird or wrong to be into politics. Now that politics is becoming literally and violently fatal to even quite privileged people in the US, I'm optimistic that this blasé attitude will change.
@gbargoud @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn
In matters scatological, political and criminal, you are the very model of a modern major general!
That's culture, that is.
@gbargoud @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn
I see you've heard of British cuisine 
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The earliest stages would require a retiree in-post or taxation to get started - the initial representatives are full-time positions. Someone or thing would have to pay them. Also, because they have no legal authority, such representatives have little power unless they have a budget.
How do you avoid the early tier system becoming a subscription club? Or is this something you want it to become?
Also, cultures change rapidly and uncontrollably. Collegiate and cooperative assemblies can sour into acrimonious rows. I'm not saying tiered governance is not worth trying, I am saying watch out.
Thanks, that's a nice proposal. As you point out, any national-scale entity is likely significantly changed from your thoughts as written. I'd add that there's no reason to stop there, and that there could be a supranational tier. I don't know a lot about Soviet history, but it does sound like the many smaller & the "supreme" soviet in that union 
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I don't see it solving the problems of the US in time to save the US. Primary'ing the Dems can show results fast.
If you see a better option, I'm all ears.
I'm describing something that has been done, it's not speculation. It's certain to work if it is done on a big enough scale and we don't get wiped out by a catastrophe.
@benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn
The trick is to remember that you voted for evil, and ask "why was I offered two flavours of shit sandwich?". In the US, the answer to that is, " because you didn't show up to the primaries".
@benroyce @grumble209 @TCatInReality @Pepijn
Get career Democrats used to the idea that if they don't push back against their donors, their next primary will be a rough time for them.
@benroyce @grumble209 @TCatInReality @Pepijn
"even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag"
Or better yet, use that Dem as a firing solution for your next primary campaign. Seriously, US folks, why did Schumer even get to stand last time round? That was your error right there.
I think we can afford more optimism. Inserting real democrats has been done via primaries, against the wishes of the Dem party and their bankrollers.
Without voting in the primaries like it's the last good thing you ever get to do, I agree, the electorate will deliver another "burn it all down" vote in due course. Assuming they get to keep voting.
The US also has primaries that don't get the attention they deserve. The Democrats are an appalling neoliberal far-right party, in the main, and the US's choice of Trump as an act of desperation is understandable from the POV of the status quo being intolerable.
The Wolf PAC's introduction of AOC, Rashida Tlaib etc. is what should be happening wholesale.
Without this, the Dems are a holding pattern before the next nosedive.
