historical rhyme; lots of northerly peasant food is vegan with only a little bacon and buttermilk because even if they could raise meat and dairy they had to *sell* most of that -- little lardoons of bacon, and the buttermilk left over after making butter for market, is the home food

Also delicious so

@raptor @danirabbit

“Own their data” sounds interestingly nerdy - all the way down to the hardware on their bikes, or on a server they own ?cooperatively?, or what?

(Eta, oh, I see at least one hosting expert has already answered! Good stuff.)

@spencexyz

Nb - downerish about *big* but it’s vital for *regional*

Seconding that a global - even a continental- reach is going to put a lot of inappropriate advice in front of beginners. I have had some unhappy conversations with people who had planted “native wildflowers” - but not native to here… spreading anyway…

Very good gardeners well attuned to their climates don’t always understand what constraints apply elsewhere.

Advertising wants wide. How to go deep _instead_?

@joewynne @Kimberley

@hpod16 @midzer

Wide: Goofy hashtags! I'm personally fond of LichenSubscribe and Defaidodon , but there are people here doing ... anything.

Narrow: it's nice being on a server with an interest and seeing what fellow interests come up with. I'm on an intellectual-interest server, but considering getting a second account on a geographic-place server for my home city, just to separate work and home a bit.

@hpod16 (that's the human side. There's a whole computer side that's technical, and then complicated stuff when human and technical decisions affect each other. But these don't have to be done by the same people, though they have to be able to talk to each other)

@hpod16

it's usually called "moderation" online, but IMO it's like parties!

You welcome new people, you have a sense of both the agreed beliefs and the issues that are going to be touchy for your group, you do ongoing organization so people can find the good stuff...

and sometimes you have to throw somebody out though in a good system that's RARE and it always involves some people feeling it was too early and some people feeling it wasn't early enough.

Familiar???

@hpod16

"social" is less obviously something for a government to Do, but I bet a government could help translate popular client software into all the national languages, or sponsor "how to host a small instance" the same way there are community classes in gardening or any adult pursuit.

One of my hobbyhorses is that "hosting" is TWO important jobs, the computer side and the human side -- in English it's the same kind of "host" that might run a regular salon, or a friendly bar, etc.

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Two attractive things IMO:

"channels" of practical information. My city has Fediverse announcements of power and water outages (planned or emergencies), wastewater disease tracking, other stuff it's just handy to see. More time-sensitive than a webpage, less time-sensitive than emergencies or transit outages (I get those over SMS).

Ideally useful info, not just press releases; and really ideally someplace a citizen can report trouble

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@hpod16

Many real numbers are in this list, much of the real number line is in this diagram

(now I’m having a different quibble with myself. Perhaps any half of the real number line would qualify.)

@librico @StefanMuelller

That’s a long long time away

mixed feelings about that

@netopwibby

And the last people who remember WWII are dying, too. Not sanguine about this.

@johnzajac @BruceMirken