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@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
the first thing they would tell you in class war 101 is to vote
because voting is just a tactic like any other in a broad repertoire of tactics. no better or worse than any other
even just a vote used as vandalism or sabotage
to have antipathy to voting is merely an emotional block. it's self-serving, trying to justify a bad decision
rationalizations not to vote are absurd
so instead of resisting the obvious, change your bad decision:
vote
@mister_shade02X2 @theothersimo @Pepijn
you could be like me. i pick at this infuriating scab of mindless cynicism and toxic idealism entitled do-nothing nonvoters and never fucking shut up about it until they all block me, so i never see their comments 
but i know they are there
hopefully i serve as a counterbalance of reason and sanity in a sea of useless whiners
that's funny because the "i'm not voting" validation performances are the gleeful ego masturbation in question here
the most important thing for the entitled nonvoter is their self-regard. it isn't making a difference
if somehow their demands before they show up and vote are met they still won't vote. they will find some other reason not to vote
because *that* is the point for them: their high holy purity self-regard song and dance
you don't see how toxic nonvoters are
@su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn
right
and notice how the entitled twist it to justify their complacency by not voting
maddening
dave that's awesome but:
*how* do you implement it
and in that answer is everything i am talking about
@gbargoud @eswag @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn
accurate but for uh various reasons i'm not going to boost this particular analogy
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
so we show up in the primaries and get those candidates
the insanity is people who never show up in the primaries, then complain the candidates suck
even if we get shit dems, we still vote in the general, so we forestall things sliding worse. if things slide to worse, chances of good candidates is even more remote, it's even shittier dems and more fascist GOP
so also the insanity of people thinking we have the entitlement to sit *any* election out
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
"Maybe we'll change it after Trump dies"
we won't ever change it, with your attitude
you need to fucking show up and act tactically with your vote
it's the only way
but apparently you have the entitlement to sit around and deliver uninformed cynicism on the topic
must be nice
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
so 3rd party only serves as a spoiler in FPTP
perot gave us clinton
nader gave us bush2
ranked choice is creeping in to the country, which will give us viable 3rd party
the GOP in 2024 made a hardline stance against it so the democrats remain the only path forward. many corporatist dems oppose it, but some support it: it's how we got mamdani in NYC
so we show up in the primaries and support dem candidates that support RCV
"Can I go check a pulse?"
"No" {and to back up}
"I'm a physician"
"I don't care"
{another says that EMS is on the way and that they have their own medics on scene}
"Where are they?" a woman yells
{she is told to relax}
"How can I relax when you just killed my f—ing neighbor?"
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
do you really need me to explain to you the value of a third party vote in an FPTP voting system?
are you trolling?
if you vote third party, you might as well vote for trump
this is your great principles? not understanding your own voting system and bumbling into helping fascism?
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
"I have other options"
what other options?
you vote and you matter or you don't and you don't
what other options are there?
@Smoog @jmcclure @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn
do you live in the usa?
the usa is fptp
third party only works in other systems
third party can only be a spoiler here
it's not corruption, it's math
there could be viable third parties in the usa if we changed our voting system, like to ranked choice
otherwise "keeps them both in check" is not reality. where did you get this idea?
@TCatInReality nah. It's just casual conversation
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
You're using the word "sociopath" like it means "poopiehead"
And you're avoiding the point
If there is an election that doesn't effect you, but will negatively effect someone else, you won't vote and that negatively effected group can go to hell
That's entitlement
You won't act because how you feel about yourself is more important than real world effects
That's the sum total of your precious "principles": self-serving self-regard
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
Well that would make sense if you lived on the moon
But you live in the USA
So you falsely believe you can afford yourself nonparticipation because the consequences don't effect you? They effect you
