I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college.
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I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college. It wasn't "woke professors" that change him to a liberal, it was being in an actual city instead of the small town he grew up in.
Meeting more diverse people made him realize he was fed lies about others while growing up.
So yeah, if you ever wondered why the right wants to shut down education and universities, that's one reason.
@rasterweb I've always cracked up (and also cried) at the idea that it's the professors who are turning students progressive.
Ummm, I've got a secret to tell you...it's the books and learning, people. Try it sometime.
(Of course, plenty of right wingers know that, but it's a lot easier to convince people that woke professors are bad than to convince people that ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND LEARNING is bad.)
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I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college. It wasn't "woke professors" that change him to a liberal, it was being in an actual city instead of the small town he grew up in.
Meeting more diverse people made him realize he was fed lies about others while growing up.
So yeah, if you ever wondered why the right wants to shut down education and universities, that's one reason.
@rasterweb
Let's apply the 4 pillars of cult control to MAGA in rural America
BEHAVIOR: Church & social circles dictate the norm. Non-conformity leads to social shunning.INFORMATION: A sealed bubble. Fox News & local radio filter reality; external facts are labeled as "lies."
THOUGHT: Dogma over logic. God, Country, and "Leader" merge. Doubt is framed as betrayal.
EMOTION: Fear of the "other" vs. the pride of the "moral elite."
Manipulation isn't about intelligence—it's about isolation. ◤
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This is much less an environment result and much more a personality result. Openness vs. not.
One sees these personality traits play out in travel-- those who possess openness eschew scripted group travel options, opting for immersion/freedom to explore instead. Those without that characteristic do the exact opposite.
The former group finds travel expansive- intellectually, emotionally, and politically. The latter? They are simply visiting a theme park.
@kitkat_blue I think it's both. If you live in a small town that is pretty conservative, and filled with white people, you may not have much of a chance to meet different types of people.
I do agree with your thoughts on travel, and I love to travel outside the US and experience other places, people, and cultures.
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@rasterweb college and city living didn't dissuade me of my conservatism; Trump and all of his followers did.
@Mutedog It's totally possible to go to university and live in a city and not change your conservative views... it's not going to change everyone.
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@Mutedog It's totally possible to go to university and live in a city and not change your conservative views... it's not going to change everyone.
@rasterweb it probably helped that my conservative views were more libertarian based than racism based
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He also told me he still reads Fox News, but with a critical eye, and so he can easily counter things his conservative friends (and family) tell him.
I remember him telling me that, and occasionally look at Fox News to see how they see things.
Here's an interesting one full of scary buzzwords like "Socialism" and "Communists".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr
@rasterweb I met people in New Hampshire, 40 minutes away from Boston, proud of the fact that they had never entered the city.
Go figure.
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I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college. It wasn't "woke professors" that change him to a liberal, it was being in an actual city instead of the small town he grew up in.
Meeting more diverse people made him realize he was fed lies about others while growing up.
So yeah, if you ever wondered why the right wants to shut down education and universities, that's one reason.
The more I travel the more I like people, especially those different than me.
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He also told me he still reads Fox News, but with a critical eye, and so he can easily counter things his conservative friends (and family) tell him.
I remember him telling me that, and occasionally look at Fox News to see how they see things.
Here's an interesting one full of scary buzzwords like "Socialism" and "Communists".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr
@rasterweb I feel like an extreme outlier on mastodon. grew up in a suburban religious household and went to college at big state school. My roommates told me I wasn't conservative. My Dad in his final years liked Trump, and was a bit of an us vs them, good vs bad person.
I don't think my views have changed much. Liberals don't know what conservatives hear and vs versa. I tried listening to conservative media, but they are so low brow, wow the amount of divisiveness! I had to move to podcasts.
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We also learn that an Airtable spreadsheet is "a sophisticated tracking database" used by "far left agitators"...
This is great. I mean, horrible, but you know...
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I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college. It wasn't "woke professors" that change him to a liberal, it was being in an actual city instead of the small town he grew up in.
Meeting more diverse people made him realize he was fed lies about others while growing up.
So yeah, if you ever wondered why the right wants to shut down education and universities, that's one reason.
@rasterweb a "MAGA for Mamdani" supporter was interviewed for this episode, from #MorePerfectUnion, and he said his awakening to the values of socialism was a visit to Japan, and needing to get healthcare while there, and discovering how well it worked for him, the human who needed healthcare and got it.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
- #MarkTwain, The Innocents Abroad / Roughing It
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@rasterweb a "MAGA for Mamdani" supporter was interviewed for this episode, from #MorePerfectUnion, and he said his awakening to the values of socialism was a visit to Japan, and needing to get healthcare while there, and discovering how well it worked for him, the human who needed healthcare and got it.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
- #MarkTwain, The Innocents Abroad / Roughing It
@morgan I saw that video last week! It makes you confused but also hopeful?
I remember back in November AOC doing a livestream and finding out people voted for her but also voted for Trump... One guy said "You both stand up for people and say what you think!" and, uh, well...
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@morgan I saw that video last week! It makes you confused but also hopeful?
I remember back in November AOC doing a livestream and finding out people voted for her but also voted for Trump... One guy said "You both stand up for people and say what you think!" and, uh, well...
@rasterweb ideology will be our undoing. Finding common ground among the thick overgrowth of ideology will lead us to the path through.
Really tortured metaphor there
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@rasterweb I feel like an extreme outlier on mastodon. grew up in a suburban religious household and went to college at big state school. My roommates told me I wasn't conservative. My Dad in his final years liked Trump, and was a bit of an us vs them, good vs bad person.
I don't think my views have changed much. Liberals don't know what conservatives hear and vs versa. I tried listening to conservative media, but they are so low brow, wow the amount of divisiveness! I had to move to podcasts.
@rasterweb I guess I'm a communist Marxist socialist because I'm on my local "encrypted" ICE Signal group, carry a whistle and know how to use a spreadsheet.
OK then... That's a weird way to redefine words... But fine.
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I know a guy who used to be a conservative, until he went to college. It wasn't "woke professors" that change him to a liberal, it was being in an actual city instead of the small town he grew up in.
Meeting more diverse people made him realize he was fed lies about others while growing up.
So yeah, if you ever wondered why the right wants to shut down education and universities, that's one reason.
@rasterweb Right is wrong, left is correct.
Right wing simply favours the lucky few too much.
Left wing has flaws but serves the needy far more.
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@rasterweb I guess I'm a communist Marxist socialist because I'm on my local "encrypted" ICE Signal group, carry a whistle and know how to use a spreadsheet.
OK then... That's a weird way to redefine words... But fine.
@poleguy @rasterweb This ridiculous rhetoric has inspired so many people to want to know more about communism and socialism. What Marx wrote is incredibly relevant and makes hell of a lot more sense than whatever nonsense establishment American politicians have been selling us since the eighties. America didn't win the cold war against communism, we lost the war against authoritarianism.
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@rasterweb I feel like an extreme outlier on mastodon. grew up in a suburban religious household and went to college at big state school. My roommates told me I wasn't conservative. My Dad in his final years liked Trump, and was a bit of an us vs them, good vs bad person.
I don't think my views have changed much. Liberals don't know what conservatives hear and vs versa. I tried listening to conservative media, but they are so low brow, wow the amount of divisiveness! I had to move to podcasts.
Disagree, liberals do indeed know what conservatives hear and what they say.
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@rasterweb a "MAGA for Mamdani" supporter was interviewed for this episode, from #MorePerfectUnion, and he said his awakening to the values of socialism was a visit to Japan, and needing to get healthcare while there, and discovering how well it worked for him, the human who needed healthcare and got it.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
- #MarkTwain, The Innocents Abroad / Roughing It
Nothing is ever "real" to them until it is personal. See also "the only moral abortion is my abortion"
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Nothing is ever "real" to them until it is personal. See also "the only moral abortion is my abortion"
Ten or so years ago, I heard a kid speak at an awards ceremony. He was being awarded for his contribution to the community, in this case, as a trail builder / maintainer. He used this phrase as the keynote of his speech.
"There is no they. They is us."
He talked about how trail users would complain that "They should..." when it was apparent to him that there is no they, they is us. We should.
@darwinwoodka please don't take this as anything other than me trying to find a way forward.
There is no them. They is us.
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Disagree, liberals do indeed know what conservatives hear and what they say.
@darwinwoodka @rasterweb How about conservatives? Do they know what liberals hear when they say what they say?
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