What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
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@Radaghaz @inthehands those exist in other countries too, and are indeed important and powerful.
https://www.stolpersteine.eu/en/the-art-memorial/stolpersteine"Our STOLPERSTEINE have so far been laid in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Finland, France, Greece, Great Britain, Ireland, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, the Czech Republic, Ukraine, and Hungary.
As of August 2024, the project has grown to over 107,000 stones laid in almost 1900 municipalities."
#holocaust #remembrance #art@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
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@Netux @codemonkeymike
I’m extremely leery of this, because the upper levels of the Trump regime are very clearly (imo) •trying• to get an ICE officer killed@inthehands @Netux sure.. i get it. And i'm not saying I'm for it.. but at what point do people break?
At a certain point, making a clever sign and going to a protest feels insanely inefficient..
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
And yes, it may cost lives. It probably will. It did back then as well
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Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
We can’t claim progress after the George Floyd murder until the kinds of people hired to be police officers would refuse to support that type of letter (‘“FOP Stands with ICE" - Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police Condemns Rhetoric’). It’s not just a few bad apples.
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@inthehands
I am so sorry you are dealing with this.To try to prevent these situations, Human Rights First created an app called "Ready Now" for immigrants or anyone who might be abducted. I have it even though I'm white and a citizen by birth, because I do ICE watch. It gives you a "panic button" to push on your phone to send an emergency message to your chosen contacts that ICE may have taken you. Mine just asks my neighbor to feed the cats and get me a lawyer.
@MaryAustinBooks @inthehands
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We can’t claim progress after the George Floyd murder until the kinds of people hired to be police officers would refuse to support that type of letter (‘“FOP Stands with ICE" - Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police Condemns Rhetoric’). It’s not just a few bad apples.
@inthehands @Nerde @Minnesota411988
The most important thing about the line "a few bad apples" is the rest of the quote.
It's not "a few bad apples are fine, you can eat around them" it's "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but somehow has been twisted to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to.
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@inthehands @Nerde @Minnesota411988
The most important thing about the line "a few bad apples" is the rest of the quote.
It's not "a few bad apples are fine, you can eat around them" it's "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but somehow has been twisted to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to.
@gbargoud @Nerde @Minnesota411988
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Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
@gbargoud @inthehands
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@axel_hartmann @inthehands I introduced my kids to those "Stolpersteine" (stumbling rocks/blocks), and now they gravely point them out whenever they discover them. It's IMHO one of the most important art projects of the last century, and has become an entire movement starting with the efforts of a single man, Gunter Demnig.
@jens @axel_hartmann @inthehands
Mmm yeah but no. Firstly, it's irrelevant right now to the situation in the US. Commemorating the victims is something to be done AFTER the battle is won. Which it hasn't been.
Also... the stolpersteine movement is a bit problematic.. they contact families and shame them into sponsoring/paying to have a stone installed. It started off ok, but I am not at all comfortable about how it has developed
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadershipPeople have been demanding resignations from police leadership all over the country for years now. Especially in Minnesota after George Floyd's murder.
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership -
Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
@regordane @Radaghaz @inthehands
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Yeah, they're memorials. Obviously it's preferable (to say the least) to not need them in the first place.
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@SharpCheddarGoblin @inthehands
The cops never say exactly who they "protect and serve"
#ACAB@n_dimension @inthehands Oooh, I know this one! It's "capitalists". They serve and protect capitalists.
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@MaryAustinBooks @inthehands
Thanks for posting! I posted the website’s info on our local 50501 subreddit.@cynblogger @inthehands
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
And yes, it may cost lives. It probably will. It did back then as well
@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!” -
@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!”@Radaghaz @inthehands nah I'm with @regordane - proactively stop them, don't wait til you have hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths at their hands first.
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@inthehands @Netux sure.. i get it. And i'm not saying I'm for it.. but at what point do people break?
At a certain point, making a clever sign and going to a protest feels insanely inefficient..
@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
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@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
@Ketakater @codemonkeymike @Netux
I have a whole soapbox on this
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@paul_ipv6 @inthehands honestly, I've been wondering that for a while. If there is a masked, unidentified person abducting people in broad daylight, isn't it supposedly the police's job to stop them? I mean could be anyone, without a badge we can't know for sure, after all.
(And I know, expecting the police to actually do their job instead of committing crimes themselves is a tall order, but still)
@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands
polices job is to stand between homeless people and shelter, as well as starving people and food
