What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
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Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership -
@axel_hartmann @inthehands I introduced my kids to those "Stolpersteine" (stumbling rocks/blocks), and now they gravely point them out whenever they discover them. It's IMHO one of the most important art projects of the last century, and has become an entire movement starting with the efforts of a single man, Gunter Demnig.
@jens @axel_hartmann @inthehands
Mmm yeah but no. Firstly, it's irrelevant right now to the situation in the US. Commemorating the victims is something to be done AFTER the battle is won. Which it hasn't been.
Also... the stolpersteine movement is a bit problematic.. they contact families and shame them into sponsoring/paying to have a stone installed. It started off ok, but I am not at all comfortable about how it has developed
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadershipPeople have been demanding resignations from police leadership all over the country for years now. Especially in Minnesota after George Floyd's murder.
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership -
Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
@regordane @Radaghaz @inthehands
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Yeah, they're memorials. Obviously it's preferable (to say the least) to not need them in the first place.
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@SharpCheddarGoblin @inthehands
The cops never say exactly who they "protect and serve"
#ACAB@n_dimension @inthehands Oooh, I know this one! It's "capitalists". They serve and protect capitalists.
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@MaryAustinBooks @inthehands
Thanks for posting! I posted the website’s info on our local 50501 subreddit.@cynblogger @inthehands
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
And yes, it may cost lives. It probably will. It did back then as well
@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!” -
@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!”@Radaghaz @inthehands nah I'm with @regordane - proactively stop them, don't wait til you have hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths at their hands first.
The stones are memorials. They are to recognise the lives that were stolen and the holes in communities they left behind. Much better not to have to create them at all. -
@inthehands @Netux sure.. i get it. And i'm not saying I'm for it.. but at what point do people break?
At a certain point, making a clever sign and going to a protest feels insanely inefficient..
@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
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@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
@Ketakater @codemonkeymike @Netux
I have a whole soapbox on this
https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115403766112156810 -
@paul_ipv6 @inthehands honestly, I've been wondering that for a while. If there is a masked, unidentified person abducting people in broad daylight, isn't it supposedly the police's job to stop them? I mean could be anyone, without a badge we can't know for sure, after all.
(And I know, expecting the police to actually do their job instead of committing crimes themselves is a tall order, but still)
@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands
polices job is to stand between homeless people and shelter, as well as starving people and food
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@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands
polices job is to stand between homeless people and shelter, as well as starving people and food
@RosethornRanger @sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6
If they’re in Minneapolis, their job is apparently to •bulldoze• the shelter -
We have seen now from the many phone calls made to 911 that the police will not get involved. We are on our own when it comes to ICE.
@lor @gbargoud @inthehands @Nerde@beige.party that "protect & serve" nonsense is looking pretty shaky right now...
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What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
This weekend, ICE abducted two people straight out of a car near where I live. Just straight up stopped the car and took them.
I found out because neighbors were trying to figure out what to do with the car, which ICE just left there blocking the street.
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@lor @gbargoud @inthehands @Nerde@beige.party that "protect & serve" nonsense is looking pretty shaky right now...
@Vonskinnback @lor @gbargoud @inthehands
In Uvalde, 40% of the city budget goes to policing.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/why-police-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budgetDespite extensive training, they still let a school full of kids & their teachers die.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/07/uvalde-police-failures-school-shooting-investigation
https://www.propublica.org/article/uvalde-officer-student-trainings-mass-shootings
Perhaps taking a preventive approach to ICE terrorism would be better.
Public hearings, criminal charges, and lawsuits would inform the taxpayers where their money should be going instead.
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@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!”@Radaghaz @noodlemaz @inthehands
No. They really really don't. The street stones serve as a memorial and a reminder to those who already know, after the enemy has been defeated. At this stage they would be a complete irrelevance and would not even be noticed by those who need to be mobilised
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@gbargoud @Nerde
Yes, a big question here is what •kind• of protection we’re demanding and from •whom•.The Minneapolis Police have very low trust. They’re officially forbidden by the city from assisting ICE, but…few people imagine they’re not on ICE’s side. Some argue we should demand their protection anyway to force the issue; others don’t want to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Gov Walz has talked about mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard to keep the peace. That’s a more credible idea — they’re a lot less fashy than the Mpls Police — but still not clear that would be welcome. One idea I’m warm to is having •unarmed• NG protecting vulnerable locations.
Trump is a wannabe mafia don.
His enforcers are hired for their thuggery, not long-term thinking.
Every democracy faces that difficult decision of recognizing when a supposedly public service funded by taxpayers, is turned into a system of support for public graft.
Police inaction in the face of violations of Constitutional rights, begs the question "What the Heck are We Paying You For?"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/04/uvalde-police-training-school-shooter-response-time
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@Radaghaz @noodlemaz @inthehands
No. They really really don't. The street stones serve as a memorial and a reminder to those who already know, after the enemy has been defeated. At this stage they would be a complete irrelevance and would not even be noticed by those who need to be mobilised
@regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
There has been talk here about putting “ICE abducted someone here” signs out around town. That would have a very different tone and a very different purpose from stones placed solemnly after the fact. I hope we can agree that all these different things have their place, and that the folks dealing with ICE right now have the capacity to choose what works in the place where they live.
