What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
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@paul_ipv6 @inthehands honestly, I've been wondering that for a while. If there is a masked, unidentified person abducting people in broad daylight, isn't it supposedly the police's job to stop them? I mean could be anyone, without a badge we can't know for sure, after all.
(And I know, expecting the police to actually do their job instead of committing crimes themselves is a tall order, but still)
@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands The police are doing their job, it’s just that it’s a job we don’t want them to do.
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What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
This weekend, ICE abducted two people straight out of a car near where I live. Just straight up stopped the car and took them.
I found out because neighbors were trying to figure out what to do with the car, which ICE just left there blocking the street.
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The car appears to be a rental. It had Amazon packages in the back seat — just received? Or (more likely) being delivered? Probably these were people just out there doing their delivery job, try to make ends meet.
But we don’t know, because nobody was able to find out who they are.
I hope they get out. I hope they get their car back. I hope a lot of things.
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@inthehands Wow, they are kidnapping Amazon (contract) delivery people!!!!
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@inthehands
Are people going to local council meetings and demanding protection by local government and police department? If the local government refuses to protect their citizens, then they’re culpableStatement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
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@inthehands I keep wanting this to happen in a stand your ground state where someone (rightfully) defends themselves against an unidentified masked goon trying to kidnap them.
@codemonkeymike @inthehands everywhere is a stand your ground state when it's in defense of others. It just takes people brave enough to do it.
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@inthehands The police chief actually said there were cars also left with pets in them that they had to get animal control for. These people are monsters. Actually, I wouldn’t mind taking their citizenship away since they’re acting like Nazis and not Americans. That’s way too much to ask for, but I do hope to see some in jail.
@Beachbum
There was at least once incident in Dec in which there was a car left with •children• in it after ICE abducted the parent. -
Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
We have seen now from the many phone calls made to 911 that the police will not get involved. We are on our own when it comes to ICE.
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Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
@gbargoud @Nerde
Yes, a big question here is what •kind• of protection we’re demanding and from •whom•.The Minneapolis Police have very low trust. They’re officially forbidden by the city from assisting ICE, but…few people imagine they’re not on ICE’s side. Some argue we should demand their protection anyway to force the issue; others don’t want to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Gov Walz has talked about mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard to keep the peace. That’s a more credible idea — they’re a lot less fashy than the Mpls Police — but still not clear that would be welcome. One idea I’m warm to is having •unarmed• NG protecting vulnerable locations.
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@codemonkeymike @inthehands everywhere is a stand your ground state when it's in defense of others. It just takes people brave enough to do it.
@Netux @codemonkeymike
I’m extremely leery of this, because the upper levels of the Trump regime are very clearly (imo) •trying• to get an ICE officer killed -
@Radaghaz @inthehands those exist in other countries too, and are indeed important and powerful.
https://www.stolpersteine.eu/en/the-art-memorial/stolpersteine"Our STOLPERSTEINE have so far been laid in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Finland, France, Greece, Great Britain, Ireland, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, the Czech Republic, Ukraine, and Hungary.
As of August 2024, the project has grown to over 107,000 stones laid in almost 1900 municipalities."
#holocaust #remembrance #art@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
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@Netux @codemonkeymike
I’m extremely leery of this, because the upper levels of the Trump regime are very clearly (imo) •trying• to get an ICE officer killed@inthehands @Netux sure.. i get it. And i'm not saying I'm for it.. but at what point do people break?
At a certain point, making a clever sign and going to a protest feels insanely inefficient..
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@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
No. Seriously no. Stolpersteine have been laid in many places. AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED. Fuck off with your putting down stones, that does nothing at all right now. Concentrate on actually combatting and defeating your Nazis FIRST.
@noodlemaz @Radaghaz @inthehands
And yes, it may cost lives. It probably will. It did back then as well
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Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
We can’t claim progress after the George Floyd murder until the kinds of people hired to be police officers would refuse to support that type of letter (‘“FOP Stands with ICE" - Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police Condemns Rhetoric’). It’s not just a few bad apples.
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@inthehands
I am so sorry you are dealing with this.To try to prevent these situations, Human Rights First created an app called "Ready Now" for immigrants or anyone who might be abducted. I have it even though I'm white and a citizen by birth, because I do ICE watch. It gives you a "panic button" to push on your phone to send an emergency message to your chosen contacts that ICE may have taken you. Mine just asks my neighbor to feed the cats and get me a lawyer.
@MaryAustinBooks @inthehands
Thanks for posting! I posted the website’s info on our local 50501 subreddit. -
We can’t claim progress after the George Floyd murder until the kinds of people hired to be police officers would refuse to support that type of letter (‘“FOP Stands with ICE" - Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police Condemns Rhetoric’). It’s not just a few bad apples.
@inthehands @Nerde @Minnesota411988
The most important thing about the line "a few bad apples" is the rest of the quote.
It's not "a few bad apples are fine, you can eat around them" it's "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but somehow has been twisted to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to.
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@inthehands @Nerde @Minnesota411988
The most important thing about the line "a few bad apples" is the rest of the quote.
It's not "a few bad apples are fine, you can eat around them" it's "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but somehow has been twisted to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to.
@gbargoud @Nerde @Minnesota411988
I am always saying this!! -
Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership -
@axel_hartmann @inthehands I introduced my kids to those "Stolpersteine" (stumbling rocks/blocks), and now they gravely point them out whenever they discover them. It's IMHO one of the most important art projects of the last century, and has become an entire movement starting with the efforts of a single man, Gunter Demnig.
@jens @axel_hartmann @inthehands
Mmm yeah but no. Firstly, it's irrelevant right now to the situation in the US. Commemorating the victims is something to be done AFTER the battle is won. Which it hasn't been.
Also... the stolpersteine movement is a bit problematic.. they contact families and shame them into sponsoring/paying to have a stone installed. It started off ok, but I am not at all comfortable about how it has developed
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadershipPeople have been demanding resignations from police leadership all over the country for years now. Especially in Minnesota after George Floyd's murder.
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@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership
