Hypocrites.
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@nighthawk Properly a little less, at least from the software industry, but I think authors and artists would give the same backlash.
Just to be clear: my post isn't meant as backlash, per se. I use AI tools frequently. I just don't want Anthropic etc. to cry about someone stealing from them when that's their entire business.
@simonbs @nighthawk recursion babyyyyyyyy!!
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@simonbs I wonder if there was much less backlash against LLMs if they were a commons and fully open rather than proprietary with massive commercial motives.
https://tante.cc/2024/10/16/does-open-source-ai-really-exist/
This article might be of interest to you then. Core idea is that that AI in its current meaning is antithetical to open source as it has been understood or free software as it was defined by the FSF. You know, because if they told you everything they trained on, someone motivated should start looking for the entire Harry Potter universe in there just to name a prominent example that has already been in the news for Anthropic specifically.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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@nighthawk Properly a little less, at least from the software industry, but I think authors and artists would give the same backlash.
Just to be clear: my post isn't meant as backlash, per se. I use AI tools frequently. I just don't want Anthropic etc. to cry about someone stealing from them when that's their entire business.
@simonbs @nighthawk Bank Robbers get mugged during getaway!!! Read all about it!!!
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs "BUT WE STOLE IT FIRST" is an interesting legal strategy.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs I love the sweet sweet tears of the AI industry in the morning.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs it’s like a thief being robbed by another thief, but demanding ethics and a fair game.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs if i was anthropic i'd stfu
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Rofl, I'd play the world's tiniest violin for them, but apparently they're down to tardigrade size now according to the memes, so I can't even do that. Oh well.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Lets just forget about copyright.
If it is accessible it should be free to be copied.
I hope the EU starts the wave by abolishing US copyright in EU.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Kind of difficult to not root for the scrapers. Please, scrape each other even harder, anything that makes this whole thing collapse a little quicker.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs OMG the poetry!
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs they don’t say anything one way or another. Maybe they are proud of them
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Will someone please think of the billionaires
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
They didn't just scrape what was public. They knowingly mass-pirated almost everything they could get their hands on.
So... They'd be fine with people "pirating" their super-secret information, right?
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs You greedy little bastards! Stop whining and get a life!
This whole GenAI LLM industry is built on stolen work and stolen creativity, This is organised crime, and you are the mobsters.
Now your scum colleagues scrape your models, and you feel betrayed? You're thieves like them, and all of your bunch can rot in hell!
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@simonbs they don’t say anything one way or another. Maybe they are proud of them
@imyke Haha, fair point! I was curious enough about their stance to log into Twitter and read their own replies.
They acknowledge the utility of “distillation" but point out that foreign labs should not distill American models.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Anthropic's models aren't trained on American data only
