This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
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@futurebird This is so important. We know who the people who ran the Nazi camps were: school masters, shop assistants, public servants. People like you and me.
But we call them monsters to avoid having to face the fact that we could have been them.@edgeofeurope @futurebird Of course the people who commit atrocities are human. But they are not like you and me. It is their very humanity that makes their actions unacceptable.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird
While the US is nowhere near being a failed state, as per the common understanding of the term, it sure is home to quite a bunch of failed humans.(I know there are great, decent folks the in the US. You know who you are!)
(Also, we do have our share of failed humans here across the pond too)
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@ratel @futurebird "Actually," hardcore followers started out as normal people
@edgeofeurope @ratel @futurebird
Doesn't matter how they started. They should be judged by what they became.
https://mstdn.social/@rebeccawatson/114042832363819401
https://skepchick.org/2025/02/no-i-will-not-welcome-ex-maga-to-the-resistance/"evil had become like a virus and it’s not your fault if you catch it"
"when so many people are aligned on an “evil” purpose, is humanity’s only option to allow them to forgive themselves, or reframe themselves as the true victims, with no accountability, no fundamental change in their philosophy? Can we not expect more of people?"
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@edgeofeurope @ratel @futurebird
Doesn't matter how they started. They should be judged by what they became.
https://mstdn.social/@rebeccawatson/114042832363819401
https://skepchick.org/2025/02/no-i-will-not-welcome-ex-maga-to-the-resistance/"evil had become like a virus and it’s not your fault if you catch it"
"when so many people are aligned on an “evil” purpose, is humanity’s only option to allow them to forgive themselves, or reframe themselves as the true victims, with no accountability, no fundamental change in their philosophy? Can we not expect more of people?"
@ajc418 @ratel @futurebird How they should be judged was not the subject of this conversation.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird genius
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@futurebird I wonder how many leftists have called in to waste his time thinking he's ICE
@raphaelmorgan @futurebird That was my first thought.
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@jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird
That's not what I said tho. The trouble with saying "they are like us" instead of "they act like us socially to get what they want" or "any of us could be like that" instead of "you can tell who is like that by what they support" is it makes monsters harder to spot; it denies they even really exist (or gives them space to hide behind that phrasing).
And people being quick to dismiss accusations is not, in fact, a reason to avoid accurate accusations.
@petealexharris @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird Monsters are just humans without humanity. They're not another species, they're not "those kinds of people", they're people that avoid self reflection on how their actions affect others. The second YOU say "I could never be like that" and internalize it, then you are already half way to being a monster yourself. Congratulations.
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@futurebird I'm literally watching his videos right now.
It's crazy how much hate there are in America. The rhetoric being passed around in the United States is unreasonably close to 1939. (maybe switch Hitler out for Trump, and pick different groups to target)
@lavenderjamie @futurebird Eh, Nazis focused on homosexuals, non-whites, immigrants and disabled people too.
And it's worth pointing out that Trump's administration has already been quoted requiring Universities to provide lists of Jewish students and professors, so....
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Watching the rest of these videos on the same channel, they're all horrifying
They're talking in such a calm bored way about wrecking innocent people's lives. They sound like they're ordering furniture or something, banality of evil is absolutely right.
i cannot watch, it would really harm my mental health.
i am glad he's doing this and making a record though.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird you know what? it seems like pedonald DOES represent a goood chunk of gringos, this lady is more worried about a five yrold working parents than the pussy grabbim sexual predator they got as president.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird and all the callers white. Apalling
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@petealexharris @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird Monsters are just humans without humanity. They're not another species, they're not "those kinds of people", they're people that avoid self reflection on how their actions affect others. The second YOU say "I could never be like that" and internalize it, then you are already half way to being a monster yourself. Congratulations.
@jhooper @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird
Why do you think you could choose to be like that? What would make you do such a thing? Does entertaining the idea of pointless cruelty as an option make you more or less monstrous?
Saying "I would never do that" isn't supposed to be wishful thinking about how nice a person you are, it's supposed to be a foundational moral choice. It's not like the weather or something.
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This reminds me of something I read about the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. They were quite a small organisation with not enough resources to carry out their work. So they relied on ordinary people to tip them off about neighbours and colleagues. Mostly based on secret grudges and unfounded suspicion. This teacher is a rotten human being and shouldn't be allowed near children.
Furthermore, this racist hate-monger's channel should be shut down. This is dangerous and inhumane garbage.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird It’s racism all the way down with these people.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
Yes lady, you are a terrible person and shouldn't be in charge of looking after young children.
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I know there are people who think that way, it's just so difficult to understand why they think that way.
Is their life going to start being better because a 6 year old they teach doesn't have parents any more? It's inhuman to think like that.
@ersatzmaus @futurebird @FediThing it isn't about making their own lives better, it's about dragging others down. They cannot stand the thought that others are less miserable, especially when they perceive said others as "lesser."
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Furthermore, this racist hate-monger's channel should be shut down. This is dangerous and inhumane garbage.
This ends in a barbaric hell.
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@ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird Complex socio-economic changes, or even worse, having to put in the effort of being a better person.
@su_liam @ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird The individual level changes won't move the needle, it's a trap , a frame of mind to keep us from collective action and systemic changes.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird He needs to find her school and make her unemployable.
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@futurebird it reminds me of stories about repressions in the USSR especially during the Stalin time.
There's a famous question about it: "Who has written all this millions of denunciations?".
This sounds so good in terms of this ICE story...@yura @futurebird In occupied France, police stations drowned in letters of neighbours denouncing their neighbours.
