This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
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@futurebird
Most of my sympathy goes to the kid & parents. If the teacher reports to a real hotline, at best, that family has a very unnessicary amount of explaining to do. At worse, their taken from their home.But I have some sympathy for the teacher who has been influenced enough to inflict either on the family. Convinced to shed her sympathy. But to be clear, I want, and believe, she can regain that sympathy. But might not if she is singled out like this. And prob double down.
@futurebird
I'd be more interested if he asked "Now we need to be sure. Cause this is tax payer money that goes into this. But also, this could mean a difficult time for this family if you are wrong. Are you confident you want to place this report?" I wonder if the actual hotlines include anything like this. That ask the reporting party to consider the reported. -
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I'd be more interested if he asked "Now we need to be sure. Cause this is tax payer money that goes into this. But also, this could mean a difficult time for this family if you are wrong. Are you confident you want to place this report?" I wonder if the actual hotlines include anything like this. That ask the reporting party to consider the reported.@futurebird
By I might have the least sympathy for this video maker. This has a good chance of being fraud. But is also bias enfocing human slop. Cops, but for liberals' enjoyment. To get progressive clicks. I get he wants to expose this. But there are better ways.I get that shit is fucked. And this can feel cathartic, in the short term. But I ask if it is more harmful in the long term. And if there is better catharsis.
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@futurebird I can just imagine what spurred on this teacher to do this, it wasn't her rigid application of the law or her moral obligation. It was something even more simple... like she seen the mother or father turn up in a car that she couldn't afford or else she seen the child get better care taken of than she ever got. Envy is a powerful motivator on the weak minded and insecure.
@byrnensorg @futurebird it was racism and xenophobia and probably not much else
the kid doesn't have to be treated better for a racist to get jealous, just have *any* of the human rights they think should only apply to white people. I bet all she's resenting is that the kid gets to go to school 
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
gods i would love to confront these people making these calls and publicly shame them
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@futurebird It seems like as soon as there's a number to call or address to write to for the purpose of "tipping off" the authorities about whatever, people cannot wait to start denouncing their neighbours. Doesn't matter if they've got no evidence of wrongdoing, that person gave them a funny look once, or they don't trim back their trees, or they let their dog bark too much, or they're just being wilfully foreign. And if they know the authorities don't care about evidence either, why not call?
@beecycling @futurebird This is what made the witch hunts so much fun.
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@futurebird
By I might have the least sympathy for this video maker. This has a good chance of being fraud. But is also bias enfocing human slop. Cops, but for liberals' enjoyment. To get progressive clicks. I get he wants to expose this. But there are better ways.I get that shit is fucked. And this can feel cathartic, in the short term. But I ask if it is more harmful in the long term. And if there is better catharsis.
IKR.
Exposing really shitty behavior or beliefs of everyday people seems stupid when there are everyday people actually being shitty. Yep, there has got to be a better way. -
This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird I wish I believed in Hell.
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Is not like they call in, crying and in distress having been menaced by some horrible gang— no it’s a literal child trying their best to learn the damn alphabet— and this lady is like “oh he’s kinda different better call the government”
@futurebird it reminds me of stories about repressions in the USSR especially during the Stalin time.
There's a famous question about it: "Who has written all this millions of denunciations?".
This sounds so good in terms of this ICE story... -
This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird fake/reel/write/rong the duoliongo advertising was funny
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
This reminds me of something I read about the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. They were quite a small organisation with not enough resources to carry out their work. So they relied on ordinary people to tip them off about neighbours and colleagues. Mostly based on secret grudges and unfounded suspicion. This teacher is a rotten human being and shouldn't be allowed near children.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird This is so scary. I can't believe someone just casually calls someone talking about how they want a 6 year old's parents to be taken away. Horrifying.
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@futurebird This is so important. We know who the people who ran the Nazi camps were: school masters, shop assistants, public servants. People like you and me.
But we call them monsters to avoid having to face the fact that we could have been them.@edgeofeurope @futurebird Of course the people who commit atrocities are human. But they are not like you and me. It is their very humanity that makes their actions unacceptable.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird
While the US is nowhere near being a failed state, as per the common understanding of the term, it sure is home to quite a bunch of failed humans.(I know there are great, decent folks the in the US. You know who you are!)
(Also, we do have our share of failed humans here across the pond too)
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@ratel @futurebird "Actually," hardcore followers started out as normal people
@edgeofeurope @ratel @futurebird
Doesn't matter how they started. They should be judged by what they became.
https://mstdn.social/@rebeccawatson/114042832363819401
https://skepchick.org/2025/02/no-i-will-not-welcome-ex-maga-to-the-resistance/"evil had become like a virus and it’s not your fault if you catch it"
"when so many people are aligned on an “evil” purpose, is humanity’s only option to allow them to forgive themselves, or reframe themselves as the true victims, with no accountability, no fundamental change in their philosophy? Can we not expect more of people?"
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@edgeofeurope @ratel @futurebird
Doesn't matter how they started. They should be judged by what they became.
https://mstdn.social/@rebeccawatson/114042832363819401
https://skepchick.org/2025/02/no-i-will-not-welcome-ex-maga-to-the-resistance/"evil had become like a virus and it’s not your fault if you catch it"
"when so many people are aligned on an “evil” purpose, is humanity’s only option to allow them to forgive themselves, or reframe themselves as the true victims, with no accountability, no fundamental change in their philosophy? Can we not expect more of people?"
@ajc418 @ratel @futurebird How they should be judged was not the subject of this conversation.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird genius
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@futurebird I wonder how many leftists have called in to waste his time thinking he's ICE
@raphaelmorgan @futurebird That was my first thought.
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@jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird
That's not what I said tho. The trouble with saying "they are like us" instead of "they act like us socially to get what they want" or "any of us could be like that" instead of "you can tell who is like that by what they support" is it makes monsters harder to spot; it denies they even really exist (or gives them space to hide behind that phrasing).
And people being quick to dismiss accusations is not, in fact, a reason to avoid accurate accusations.
@petealexharris @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird Monsters are just humans without humanity. They're not another species, they're not "those kinds of people", they're people that avoid self reflection on how their actions affect others. The second YOU say "I could never be like that" and internalize it, then you are already half way to being a monster yourself. Congratulations.
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@futurebird I'm literally watching his videos right now.
It's crazy how much hate there are in America. The rhetoric being passed around in the United States is unreasonably close to 1939. (maybe switch Hitler out for Trump, and pick different groups to target)
@lavenderjamie @futurebird Eh, Nazis focused on homosexuals, non-whites, immigrants and disabled people too.
And it's worth pointing out that Trump's administration has already been quoted requiring Universities to provide lists of Jewish students and professors, so....
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Watching the rest of these videos on the same channel, they're all horrifying
They're talking in such a calm bored way about wrecking innocent people's lives. They sound like they're ordering furniture or something, banality of evil is absolutely right.
i cannot watch, it would really harm my mental health.
i am glad he's doing this and making a record though.
