This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird and all the callers white. Apalling
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@petealexharris @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird Monsters are just humans without humanity. They're not another species, they're not "those kinds of people", they're people that avoid self reflection on how their actions affect others. The second YOU say "I could never be like that" and internalize it, then you are already half way to being a monster yourself. Congratulations.
@jhooper @jonoleth @edgeofeurope @futurebird
Why do you think you could choose to be like that? What would make you do such a thing? Does entertaining the idea of pointless cruelty as an option make you more or less monstrous?
Saying "I would never do that" isn't supposed to be wishful thinking about how nice a person you are, it's supposed to be a foundational moral choice. It's not like the weather or something.
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This reminds me of something I read about the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. They were quite a small organisation with not enough resources to carry out their work. So they relied on ordinary people to tip them off about neighbours and colleagues. Mostly based on secret grudges and unfounded suspicion. This teacher is a rotten human being and shouldn't be allowed near children.
Furthermore, this racist hate-monger's channel should be shut down. This is dangerous and inhumane garbage.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird It’s racism all the way down with these people.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
Yes lady, you are a terrible person and shouldn't be in charge of looking after young children.
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I know there are people who think that way, it's just so difficult to understand why they think that way.
Is their life going to start being better because a 6 year old they teach doesn't have parents any more? It's inhuman to think like that.
@ersatzmaus @futurebird @FediThing it isn't about making their own lives better, it's about dragging others down. They cannot stand the thought that others are less miserable, especially when they perceive said others as "lesser."
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Furthermore, this racist hate-monger's channel should be shut down. This is dangerous and inhumane garbage.
This ends in a barbaric hell.
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@ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird Complex socio-economic changes, or even worse, having to put in the effort of being a better person.
@su_liam @ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird The individual level changes won't move the needle, it's a trap , a frame of mind to keep us from collective action and systemic changes.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird He needs to find her school and make her unemployable.
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@futurebird it reminds me of stories about repressions in the USSR especially during the Stalin time.
There's a famous question about it: "Who has written all this millions of denunciations?".
This sounds so good in terms of this ICE story...@yura @futurebird In occupied France, police stations drowned in letters of neighbours denouncing their neighbours.
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Horrifying, horrifying
It's so difficult to understand what is driving someone like this. How was it harming her life or anyone's life that the child's parents were in the same country as her?
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird Before even considering moving to a new neighborhood or doing business with a new company, I create a Nextdoor account using the new address or an address near the business owner to scope the scene. It's remarkable how openly brazen the racists are, but I always make sure to leave several messages warning others to avoid the dangerous neighborhood or business.
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@petealexharris @futurebird The monsters are humans, and we are *not* better than they are. That is my point.
They come from among us, they have been raised in our societies, they are monsters of our own making.@edgeofeurope
And yet we were also made by the same society, but chose differently.Because it is possible to choose not to be cruel or enjoy cruelty. It is even possible to enjoy cruelty, know that it is wrong, and confine your penchant to something consensual.
I'm sorry. They are not like me. Because they made choices. Like I have made choices.
And they've made the wrong ones.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird JFC. Imagine being that nonchalant. “You make it sound terrible.” OF COURSE IT’S TERRIBLE, YOU WRETCHED SCUM!!!
The propaganda about “foreigners taking our jobs” and whatnot has dug its talons deep into the American psyche. It’s repugnant.
Sorry for the rant. Thank you for sharing this. I just wish he was doxxing these folks instead of embarrassing them anonymously.
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@su_liam @ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird The individual level changes won't move the needle, it's a trap , a frame of mind to keep us from collective action and systemic changes.
@su_liam @ersatzmaus @FediThing @futurebird @dacig Depends on the problem.
Real problems absolutely require a systemic solution, but "I feel uncomfortable because my neighbours are different from me" is absolutely solvable with self-work.
Because the only problem there is in your own head.
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@Iwillyeah @futurebird “No. I’m just noting down the facts. The ‘horrible person’ part was what you took from those facts. Maybe there is a functioning conscience in there. You should pay more attention to that.”
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What disturbs me is the total lack of urgency and confidence in these “reporters” as soon as Ben simply describes what they are doing “so you are reporting this person so they will be removed from the country” they put all of the responsibility on him (one caller says “isn’t that what we are doing?)
People scoff at insects following pheromone trails but the average ant puts more thought into her next action than some of these people. “The government says report these people better do it”
@futurebird well, that's probably how fasiscm worked in Germany and my country, Austria, some 80 years ago.
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This guy named Ben Palmer made an "Immigration tip line" and people call it thinking he's ICE.
He records them and shares it with the world.
What do people sound like when reporting their neighbors, coworkers, students? Are they confident they are doing a righteous good thing?
Witness the banality of evil in these sheepish suburban voices.
@futurebird
I don't know who coined the phrase "banality of evil" but it really sums up this encounter.
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This looks AI af.
what? ben palmer is a comedian that's been doing stuff like this for ages:
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@edgeofeurope @futurebird Actually the people who ran the Nazi camps were not ordinary people, they were hardcore followers. And they didn't just obeyed "superior orders", they made the decisions they rightfully assumed were required the whole nazi project. Not to say ordinary people played no part, of course. But what Arendt called "banality of evil" is quite misleading.
@ratel @edgeofeurope @futurebird The point is that there is a deceptive, exploitative aura to fascists and the bunch, and it's easy to fall for it if you don't have a supportive community. They exploit the lonely, the ones scared of changes in the world, the ones in crisis, and create an easy enemy that is supposedly at fault for their problems - Jews, Immigrants, Communists
I'll be completely honest, during my teens, I almost fell into their trap, was it not for a few really nice people pulling me out of that mess. I still regret a lot of what I've done back then, the hateful words I spoke.
That's the warning - don't let them fall into the grasp of fascists, because they'll exploit their weaknesses to turn them into monsters.
