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  • retech@defcon.socialR retech@defcon.social

    @Ashedryden What protections do we have as users? None. I'll willingly go into the dark over this. Eventually I'll have to use pigeons and smoke signals to communicate with the world.

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    #55

    @retech @Ashedryden

    Can't rely on pigeons either...

    https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/faq

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    • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

      Two things:
      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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      #56

      @Ashedryden

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      • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

        Two things:
        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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        #57

        @Ashedryden @wellingtonrock @verge

        My initial feeling that someone simply wants to kill such platforms entirely.

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        • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

          Two things:
          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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          #58

          @Ashedryden It's more likely I'll be giving up the services that require these things.

          Some will be difficult, of course, but if enough of us do walk away will that have an impact?

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          • d1@autistics.lifeD d1@autistics.life

            @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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            #59

            @d1 @mochabeau @Ashedryden

            IMHO, #Movim by @movim is pretty good. And it's all standard #XMPP, i.e. no vendor lock-in.

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            • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

              Two things:
              1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

              2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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              #60

              @Ashedryden

              They already have your ID like 10x over from all the other things you've been forced to give it for and all the public data breaches, so it barely matters anyway for most people.

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              • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                Two things:
                1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                #61

                @Ashedryden

                We already have a two tiered internet with Facebook and Instagram etc.

                I don't have an account on those things, never will, and I have only used Discord once and will be deleting my account now.

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                • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                  Two things:
                  1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                  2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                  #62

                  @Ashedryden Finally a legitimate use for AI image generators

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                  • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                    @annika @Ashedryden Now, not only do they know you're a dog, they know what breed you are, what kind of kibble you eat, and how often you go out for walkies.

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                    #63

                    @maccruiskeen @annika @Ashedryden Is the age verification in dog years?

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                    • geospacedman@mastodon.socialG geospacedman@mastodon.social

                      @maccruiskeen @annika @Ashedryden Is the age verification in dog years?

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                      #64

                      @geospacedman @maccruiskeen @Ashedryden Yes, hope you're at least 126 dog years old

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                      • d1@autistics.lifeD d1@autistics.life

                        @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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                        #65

                        @d1 @Ashedryden the main issue is it must have native apps for mobile, and i need to be able to have roles control channel access, an extensible api for rebuilding the different bots that i use in my discord server, and screensharing. i have tried all those options, and i just haven't found one that meets all the things i need. i would really like to use a FOSS solution, but i feel like ive tried everything.

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                        • debacle@framapiaf.orgD debacle@framapiaf.org

                          @d1 @mochabeau @Ashedryden

                          IMHO, #Movim by @movim is pretty good. And it's all standard #XMPP, i.e. no vendor lock-in.

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                          #66

                          @debacle @d1 @Ashedryden @movim movim is pretty good from what ive tried, i can say that

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                          • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                            @AlSweigart I went to a protest without a phone and realized I couldn’t easily find out when buses come or pay for the fare because everything is so cash averse now

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                            #67

                            @Ashedryden @AlSweigart

                            I’ve been in shops where the staff couldn’t count the cash, so we ended up doing a digital transaction.

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                            • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                              Two things:
                              1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                              2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                              #68

                              @Ashedryden
                              God, I am sooo glad I left when they were swelling, looks like they finally burst.

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                              • toddz@social.linux.pizzaT toddz@social.linux.pizza

                                @retech @Ashedryden

                                Can't rely on pigeons either...

                                https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/faq

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                                #69

                                @toddz @Ashedryden I know a good bird lawyer.

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                                • derickr@phpc.socialD derickr@phpc.social

                                  @trashwizard @Ashedryden https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jmzd972leo ← and for some people who did give up their face, it got nicely leaked 😠

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                                  #70

                                  @derickr @trashwizard @Ashedryden Y’all remember the old days, before graphical browsers? We used to run bbs from a 386 with a 2400 baud modem.

                                  BBS is a relatively low cost, simple to install, Pi friendly way to create networks around late stage capitalism. Is a panacea for our ills, no...but you can roll your own discord type system.

                                  I mean, if governments wanted to keep us “safe” from predators, they could start by arresting all of them in government. Else, it’s just a con.

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                                  • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                    Two things:
                                    1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                    2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                    #71

                                    @Ashedryden Since Discord are so fond of shoving AI shit in people's faces, I'm sure they won't mind if I shove an AI generated face at their "age scanning" tool..

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                                    • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                      Two things:
                                      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                      #72

                                      @Ashedryden additionally, not all countries require ID let alone photo ID. Add to that people who can't drive, can't afford to drive and don't own passport (no need if you can't afford to travel).

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                                      • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                        Two things:
                                        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                        #73

                                        @Ashedryden i mean the people who would upload their ID are also probably the one's who are for shit like ID requirements for voting

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                                        • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                          Two things:
                                          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                          #74

                                          @Ashedryden I never really liked Discord. Now I have a good reason to quit all together.

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