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  • mochabeau@infosec.exchangeM mochabeau@infosec.exchange

    @Ashedryden teamspeak is great for voice, but someone NEEDS to make a better alternative for chatting. i haven't found a platform that works nearly as well as discord, and it sucks.

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    #47

    @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

    https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

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    • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

      Two things:
      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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      #48

      @Ashedryden Fully agree with you on 2.
      As for two-tier internet - ever since some clever clogs came up with the magic word "premium", segregation was born. Not too many complaints neither, looks like.

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      • d1@autistics.lifeD d1@autistics.life

        @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

        https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

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        #49

        @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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        • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

          Two things:
          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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          #50

          @Ashedryden

          And someone is going to make a random identity generator page of any country you choose and random faces of different poses. Complete with random lists of where you went to school, first pet, etc, in a printable fact page. What are they going to do, try and verify?

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          • mochabeau@infosec.exchangeM mochabeau@infosec.exchange

            @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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            #51

            @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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            • mochabeau@infosec.exchangeM mochabeau@infosec.exchange

              @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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              #52

              @mochabeau @Ashedryden as to teamspeak, I would personally try to find something #OpenSource

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              • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                Two things:
                1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                #53

                @Ashedryden You can still chat by typing without the video on IRC.

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                • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

                  @Ashedryden Someone should make a biometric randomization app already, which takes your likeness and then change the core face metrics randomly.

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                  #54

                  @koen_hufkens @Ashedryden bio-obfuscation, basically a deepfake where the end face is ai generated.

                  A pretty good idea.
                  The hardest part is doing it in a undetectable way (catching the camera feed and changing it before it reaches the requesting app)

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                  • retech@defcon.socialR retech@defcon.social

                    @Ashedryden What protections do we have as users? None. I'll willingly go into the dark over this. Eventually I'll have to use pigeons and smoke signals to communicate with the world.

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                    #55

                    @retech @Ashedryden

                    Can't rely on pigeons either...

                    https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/faq

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                    • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                      Two things:
                      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                      #56

                      @Ashedryden

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                      • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                        Two things:
                        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                        #57

                        @Ashedryden @wellingtonrock @verge

                        My initial feeling that someone simply wants to kill such platforms entirely.

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                        • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                          Two things:
                          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                          #58

                          @Ashedryden It's more likely I'll be giving up the services that require these things.

                          Some will be difficult, of course, but if enough of us do walk away will that have an impact?

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                          • d1@autistics.lifeD d1@autistics.life

                            @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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                            #59

                            @d1 @mochabeau @Ashedryden

                            IMHO, #Movim by @movim is pretty good. And it's all standard #XMPP, i.e. no vendor lock-in.

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                            • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                              Two things:
                              1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                              2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                              #60

                              @Ashedryden

                              They already have your ID like 10x over from all the other things you've been forced to give it for and all the public data breaches, so it barely matters anyway for most people.

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                              • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                Two things:
                                1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                #61

                                @Ashedryden

                                We already have a two tiered internet with Facebook and Instagram etc.

                                I don't have an account on those things, never will, and I have only used Discord once and will be deleting my account now.

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                                • ashedryden@xoxo.zoneA ashedryden@xoxo.zone

                                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                  Two things:
                                  1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                  2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                  #62

                                  @Ashedryden Finally a legitimate use for AI image generators

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                                  • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                                    @annika @Ashedryden Now, not only do they know you're a dog, they know what breed you are, what kind of kibble you eat, and how often you go out for walkies.

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                                    #63

                                    @maccruiskeen @annika @Ashedryden Is the age verification in dog years?

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                                    • geospacedman@mastodon.socialG geospacedman@mastodon.social

                                      @maccruiskeen @annika @Ashedryden Is the age verification in dog years?

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                                      #64

                                      @geospacedman @maccruiskeen @Ashedryden Yes, hope you're at least 126 dog years old

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                                      • d1@autistics.lifeD d1@autistics.life

                                        @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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                                        #65

                                        @d1 @Ashedryden the main issue is it must have native apps for mobile, and i need to be able to have roles control channel access, an extensible api for rebuilding the different bots that i use in my discord server, and screensharing. i have tried all those options, and i just haven't found one that meets all the things i need. i would really like to use a FOSS solution, but i feel like ive tried everything.

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                                        • debacle@framapiaf.orgD debacle@framapiaf.org

                                          @d1 @mochabeau @Ashedryden

                                          IMHO, #Movim by @movim is pretty good. And it's all standard #XMPP, i.e. no vendor lock-in.

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                                          #66

                                          @debacle @d1 @Ashedryden @movim movim is pretty good from what ive tried, i can say that

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