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  • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

    the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work

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    #29

    stock prices are driven by this wild marketing stunt

    7 titles dominate the S&P500 index, all 7 are in full hype cycle

    this bubble has to go
    this bubble will go
    soon

    #salami aka #AI #AGI #genAI

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    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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      #30

      @lokeloski Gell-Mann Amnesia.

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      • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

        @lokeloski

        It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

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        The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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        #31

        @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski or more generally the egocentric bias. Veritasium has a nice video on this: https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I?si=ZV6CuklywzLekwHd

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        • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

          @lokeloski

          It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

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          The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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          #32

          @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski It's one of the reasons that, when pointing out that I do not like Generative LLMs for the work they output, I do emphasize that it's not just *my* programming expertise that I feel this for.

          Like, I feel the same way for books; if you wrote it with an LLM, and we can see because a prompt made it into the printed version, that tells me that you did not read what you claimed to have "Wrote" with an LLM - why should I read it then, when I know it can do the same thing it can do for math, or coding, or images?

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          • jantietje@norden.socialJ jantietje@norden.social shared this topic
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            #33

            @lokeloski Very well put. To me, this is similar to the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, where for subjects we have deep knowlege about, we see all the flaws in media reports, but tend to assume that for all other subjects, the media reports are basically fine. @davidgerard

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect?wprov=sfla1

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            • gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @lokeloski dev seems to be the only one thinking they can replace their own job with AI and everything will be fine

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              #34

              @gkrnours
              Some mathematicians are also on this "let's automatize our own job" path…
              @lokeloski

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              • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                #35
                @lokeloski@mastodon.social I just shared this at work.
                With some of the people pushing for AI integration everywhere.
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                • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                  #36
                  @lokeloski or programmers asking LLMs to generate code for them, because they cannot code
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                  • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                    #37
                    @lokeloski rediscovering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect all over are we
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                    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                      #38

                      @lokeloski I call that Mount Stupid

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                      • geeeero@mastodon.socialG geeeero@mastodon.social

                        @lokeloski Very well put. To me, this is similar to the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, where for subjects we have deep knowlege about, we see all the flaws in media reports, but tend to assume that for all other subjects, the media reports are basically fine. @davidgerard

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect?wprov=sfla1

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                        #39

                        @geeeero @lokeloski important to note the Gell-Mann effect is made up trash. It's literally something Crichton said once. So imagine how cognitive psychologists feel about it.

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                        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                          #40

                          @lokeloski Fortunately for AI pushers, most people are ignorant about most things. Optimistically, the Inverse 80/20 rule applies.

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                          • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                            #41

                            @lokeloski I’ve seen this attitude even in some highly skilled people.

                            The idea that what they’re doing is obviously complex and requires deep knowledge and skills, but work that others are doing is obviously trivial. Very surprising.

                            It’s not uncommon for undergraduates to assume some field is easy, because the introductory course they had on it was, but for accomplished professors to have similar ideas about fields outside of their expertise? Why? Is there a psychologist in the house?

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                            • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                              #42

                              @lokeloski An extra step to this I saw elsewhere- "People think it can do things except the things they personally are competent to do. Which is why the C Suite thinks it can do everything"

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                              • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                #43

                                @lokeloski@mastodon.social Why do I always find it at best questionable for any field I look at? Like, "yeah that kind of feels like that's maybe decent, but I'd have to check out to see if it's actually stupid..." Ah well, because it's always stupid when I have the slightest bit of a clue.

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                                  #44

                                  @lokeloski The strange thing about AI is that it generates great answers to everything I don't know much about, yet in my field of expertise it seems to be incredibly dumb.

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                                  • denofearth@mas.toD denofearth@mas.to

                                    @lokeloski
                                    I recently went to an opera where the composer was not only present but also performing as one of the soloists, among five other vocalists, along with a men's choir, accompanied by a full orchestra.

                                    The backdrop to this rich contribution to human musical art was AI visuals projected onto a screen.

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                                    #45

                                    @DenOfEarth @lokeloski 😬

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                                      #46
                                      @lokeloski So what I'm getting from that post is "generative AI is like an indian, but it takes a lot of electricity instead of shitting on the street"
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                                      • distractal@hachyderm.ioD distractal@hachyderm.io

                                        @lokeloski Really kind of gets back to cultural acceptance of the idea of "unskilled labor", labor as just something that can be swapped out and dehumanized, merely a resource, a tool, not a high-context manifestation of human effort.

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                                        #47

                                        @distractal @lokeloski we need to call CEO-level jobs unskilled labor for precisely the reasons you just listed.

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                                        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                          #48

                                          @lokeloski my biggest takeaway from this is that YOU CAN BE A COMICS PROFESSOR?!?!!?!?

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