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  • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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    #24

    @lokeloski
    I recently went to an opera where the composer was not only present but also performing as one of the soloists, among five other vocalists, along with a men's choir, accompanied by a full orchestra.

    The backdrop to this rich contribution to human musical art was AI visuals projected onto a screen.

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    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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      #25

      @lokeloski
      alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
      recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2

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      • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

        @lokeloski
        alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
        recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2

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        #26

        it seems like each department says that AI can be useful in every field except the one that they know best.

        it's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation.
        The more attuned we are with certain processes, crafts and occupations, the more we realize that gen AI will never be able to provide a suitable replacement. The case for its existence relies on our ignorance of the work and skill required to be everything we don't. 2/2

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        • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

          it seems like each department says that AI can be useful in every field except the one that they know best.

          it's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation.
          The more attuned we are with certain processes, crafts and occupations, the more we realize that gen AI will never be able to provide a suitable replacement. The case for its existence relies on our ignorance of the work and skill required to be everything we don't. 2/2

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          #27

          strange conclusions by those professors,
          in my mind it works differently,
          when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.

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          • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

            strange conclusions by those professors,
            in my mind it works differently,
            when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.

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            #28

            the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work

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            • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

              the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work

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              #29

              stock prices are driven by this wild marketing stunt

              7 titles dominate the S&P500 index, all 7 are in full hype cycle

              this bubble has to go
              this bubble will go
              soon

              #salami aka #AI #AGI #genAI

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              • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                #30

                @lokeloski Gell-Mann Amnesia.

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                • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

                  @lokeloski

                  It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

                  -----------
                  The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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                  #31

                  @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski or more generally the egocentric bias. Veritasium has a nice video on this: https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I?si=ZV6CuklywzLekwHd

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                  • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

                    @lokeloski

                    It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

                    -----------
                    The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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                    #32

                    @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski It's one of the reasons that, when pointing out that I do not like Generative LLMs for the work they output, I do emphasize that it's not just *my* programming expertise that I feel this for.

                    Like, I feel the same way for books; if you wrote it with an LLM, and we can see because a prompt made it into the printed version, that tells me that you did not read what you claimed to have "Wrote" with an LLM - why should I read it then, when I know it can do the same thing it can do for math, or coding, or images?

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                      #33

                      @lokeloski Very well put. To me, this is similar to the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, where for subjects we have deep knowlege about, we see all the flaws in media reports, but tend to assume that for all other subjects, the media reports are basically fine. @davidgerard

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect?wprov=sfla1

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                      • gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @lokeloski dev seems to be the only one thinking they can replace their own job with AI and everything will be fine

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                        #34

                        @gkrnours
                        Some mathematicians are also on this "let's automatize our own job" path…
                        @lokeloski

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                        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                          #35
                          @lokeloski@mastodon.social I just shared this at work.
                          With some of the people pushing for AI integration everywhere.
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                          • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                            #36
                            @lokeloski or programmers asking LLMs to generate code for them, because they cannot code
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                            • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                              #37
                              @lokeloski rediscovering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect all over are we
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                                #38

                                @lokeloski I call that Mount Stupid

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                                • geeeero@mastodon.socialG geeeero@mastodon.social

                                  @lokeloski Very well put. To me, this is similar to the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, where for subjects we have deep knowlege about, we see all the flaws in media reports, but tend to assume that for all other subjects, the media reports are basically fine. @davidgerard

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect?wprov=sfla1

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                                  #39

                                  @geeeero @lokeloski important to note the Gell-Mann effect is made up trash. It's literally something Crichton said once. So imagine how cognitive psychologists feel about it.

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                                    #40

                                    @lokeloski Fortunately for AI pushers, most people are ignorant about most things. Optimistically, the Inverse 80/20 rule applies.

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                                      #41

                                      @lokeloski I’ve seen this attitude even in some highly skilled people.

                                      The idea that what they’re doing is obviously complex and requires deep knowledge and skills, but work that others are doing is obviously trivial. Very surprising.

                                      It’s not uncommon for undergraduates to assume some field is easy, because the introductory course they had on it was, but for accomplished professors to have similar ideas about fields outside of their expertise? Why? Is there a psychologist in the house?

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                                        #42

                                        @lokeloski An extra step to this I saw elsewhere- "People think it can do things except the things they personally are competent to do. Which is why the C Suite thinks it can do everything"

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                                          #43

                                          @lokeloski@mastodon.social Why do I always find it at best questionable for any field I look at? Like, "yeah that kind of feels like that's maybe decent, but I'd have to check out to see if it's actually stupid..." Ah well, because it's always stupid when I have the slightest bit of a clue.

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