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  • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

    @benroyce @starlily Why can't we *both* go after the governments and refuse to obey in advance?

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    #37

    @ariarhythmic @starlily

    because it's tactically moronic

    you're not asking for resistance, you're demanding admins stand up and ask fascists to shoot them

    this is not brave, this is not strong, it's fucking stupid

    in resistance you think *strategy* and *tactics* because you want to be *effective*

    right?

    do you think grandstanding on social media with cringe foolish ineffective demands is anything remotely like that?

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

      looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks

      if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks

      especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)

      at the same time:

      if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity

      aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL

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      #38

      @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

      Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.

      Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.

      This seems paramount.

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      • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

        @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

        Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.

        Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.

        This seems paramount.

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        #39

        @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

        Taking the hard-line with fascism is healthy, but pushing others to any course of action without knowing the cost to them seems non-strategic. (In this case: turning GmbH into latter-day Pirate Bay.)

        No one battle will defeat fascism, but not fighting isn't the answer either. To push the allegory to the breaking point, we want sabotage and raiding, not cause a Verdun that will consume our future as surely as fascism will..

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        • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

          @benroyce @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox my point is when a fascist orders you do a fascist thing and you do as you're told, you're a moral failure.

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          #40

          @ariarhythmic @benroyce @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

          True, but have you considered that there are more ways to oppose fascist orders than just not applying them?

          It's often much safer and/or profitable to implement a solution that follows the letter of the order and not the spirit.

          Particularly in a situation like this where the order of implementation doesn't come from the fascists, or even (I think it's safe to say) collaborators.

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          • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

            @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

            Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.

            Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.

            This seems paramount.

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            #41

            @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox

            i have a better idea:

            do what valve does

            you need a credit card

            they run a $0 authorization

            *no id docs needed*

            the server doesn't deal with sensitive data

            even better:

            now your cc is attached to your mastodon profile

            your cc is right there for donating to the server later

            as more people should be doing

            snag:

            germany doesn't consider a cc legally acceptable

            but other jurisdictions do

            https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/08/steam-uk-users-will-now-need-a-credit-card-to-access-mature-content-due-to-the-online-safety-act/

            @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox

              i have a better idea:

              do what valve does

              you need a credit card

              they run a $0 authorization

              *no id docs needed*

              the server doesn't deal with sensitive data

              even better:

              now your cc is attached to your mastodon profile

              your cc is right there for donating to the server later

              as more people should be doing

              snag:

              germany doesn't consider a cc legally acceptable

              but other jurisdictions do

              https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/08/steam-uk-users-will-now-need-a-credit-card-to-access-mature-content-due-to-the-online-safety-act/

              @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

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              #42

              @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.

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              • mastodon@mastodon.socialM mastodon@mastodon.social

                Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026. Stay tuned this week for more.

                https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/02/connecting-the-world-through-thriving-online-communities/

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                #43

                @Mastodon @mellifluousbox Mastodon could aspire to replace X in Europe (given the current situation in the U.S. and the state of X). It is urgent that it include translation capabilities for this multilingual region

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                • meowki@meowstodon.euM meowki@meowstodon.eu

                  @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.

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                  #44

                  @meowki @benroyce @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  Just so.

                  Also worth noting that some countries (at least my own) are enabling age-verification because you can't trust algorithms to show stuff people want/should see. If this is taken into account in the legistlation (which is still being written), then it wouldn't even apply to Mastodon.

                  Similar use-cases are probably found in other EU-countries, if not in Germany?

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                  • meowki@meowstodon.euM meowki@meowstodon.eu

                    @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.

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                    #45

                    @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                    My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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                      #46

                      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                      1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

                      2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

                      3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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                      • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

                        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

                        2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

                        3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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                        #47

                        @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        thank you

                        you educated me

                        {hat tip}

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                        • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

                          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

                          2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

                          3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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                          #48

                          @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

                          ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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                          • mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM mark@mastodon.fixermark.com

                            @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

                            ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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                            #49

                            @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            which is great of you, thank you

                            ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                            so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                            and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                            the problem is govt

                            not mastodon admins

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              which is great of you, thank you

                              ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                              so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                              and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                              the problem is govt

                              not mastodon admins

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                              #50

                              @benroyce @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic All of this is very good insight.

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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                                #51

                                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

                                Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

                                Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

                                Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                  which is great of you, thank you

                                  ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                                  so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                                  and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                                  the problem is govt

                                  not mastodon admins

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                                  #52

                                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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                                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                    I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

                                    Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

                                    Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

                                    Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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                                    #53

                                    @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                    which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                                    what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      which is great of you, thank you

                                      ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                                      so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                                      and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                                      the problem is govt

                                      not mastodon admins

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                                      #54

                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                                      Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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                                        #55

                                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                        what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

                                        it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

                                        the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                          which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                                          what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                                          #56

                                          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                          No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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