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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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    #12

    @cstross @Richard_Littler I've met the guy back in 2004 when his bizarre theme park was relatively new. Some analogue shots right off the Migros Picture CD-ROM in this thread: https://mastodon.social/deck/@guenterhack/115877370682477543

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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      #13

      @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

        @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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        #14

        @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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        • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

          When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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          #15

          @Richard_Littler Cool buildings!

          I think I read one of his books as a teen. Can't remember which one though. A remember reading a lot of Charles Berlitz, which seems the same type of genre, just about the Bermuda Triangle.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

            I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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            #16

            @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
            My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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              #17

              @cstross @Richard_Littler Back when colonialist white supremacist racism sold well. The whole racist "ancient aliens" thing has stuck around in the decades since, but not in such profitable form I think.

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              • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                #18

                @Richard_Littler We had raves there.

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                • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                  @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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                  #19

                  @Richard_Littler @cstross also as a treat "Erich von Däniken weg" means "Erich von Däniken gone"

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                    I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                    #20

                    @cstross @Richard_Littler I'm imagining something like the Shandor building in the original Ghostbusters film, where the architecture makes it part of a summoning gateway.

                    It's a real building, too, though somewhat altered via film magic for the movie.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Central_Park_West

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                    • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                      @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                      My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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                      #21

                      @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                      • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                        #22

                        @Richard_Littler oooooh, that's interesting. Any contact between that guy and Claude Vorilhon (also known as Raël)?

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                          #23

                          @cstross @Richard_Littler There's the implied subtext. And then there's the explicit, in-your-face JAQing off, like: "Was the black race a failure and did the extraterrestrials change the genetic code by gene surgery and then programme a white or a yellow race?" (von Däniken, /Signs of the Gods/, 1980, in the chapter “Man Outsmarts Nature” – loads more where that came from)

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                          • jschwa1@mastodonapp.ukJ jschwa1@mastodonapp.uk

                            @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                            #24

                            @jschwa1 @Richard_Littler @cstross

                            I don't mind Alien movies, but I still find it difficult even to look at the pictures, and I did have a Giger poster calendar once upon a time.

                            The mental image of imagining me sitting on one of those chairs, and imagining such scenes exist somewhere in the galaxy, way way far away is quite different in outcome.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                              #25

                              @cstross @Richard_Littler Ugh, my old man was well into this stuff, to the extent that he'd nod-and-wink that anyone who knew what they were talking about (eg. contemporary scientists like Hawking) must be an alien. Which isn't really helpful when your own son is doing a physics degree, is it?

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                              • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                #ancientaliens

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                                #26

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@Richard_Littler/115882082456309865

                                @Richard_Littler my favorite way to approach him, sitchin etc is as a separate and wonderful form of sci-fi

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                                • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                  When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                                  #27

                                  @Richard_Littler I actually went there when it was operational. Not intentionally mind you, someone else had organised the trip and I only learned what it was when I entered.
                                  Mostly standard themepark rides all garnished with the odd "ancient aliens" stick. You could tell they poured a lot of money into it though.

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                                  • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                    🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                    I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                    #ancientaliens

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                                    #28

                                    @Richard_Littler A total fraud but a rich, successful fraud As an ex-archaeologist I found him but annoying but fair play to him, I suppose. He certainly tapped into the zeitgeist and there are people making bank today with much less entertaining and fun theories than he opined. And he had a cool name too which helps.

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                                    • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                      🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                      I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                      #ancientaliens

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                                      #29

                                      @Richard_Littler Same, and that's also just what my copy looks like. Tough to believe someone that well written is cray cray when you are 12 ya know?

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                                        I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                                        #30

                                        @cstross @Richard_Littler There’s a Giger museum and café in Gruyères:

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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                                          #31

                                          @cstross @datarama @Richard_Littler See also Great Zimbabwe (not mentioned in the article but aliens were also postulated as the origin at one point as well; anything and anyone so long as it wasn't black people):

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

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