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🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90.

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  • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

    🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
    I've had this book since I was a little kid.

    #ancientaliens

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    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

    richard_littler@mastodon.socialR guenterhack@mastodon.socialG datarama@hachyderm.ioD isaackuo@spacey.spaceI noctuaminervae@toot.siN 7 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

      🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
      I've had this book since I was a little kid.

      #ancientaliens

      dlundh@social.horrorhub.clubD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @Richard_Littler oh man. I remember it well.

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      • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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        #6

        Nearby, he even has his own walking path based around the events of his life.

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        • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

          When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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          #7

          @Richard_Littler
          Oh i remember this from your photos - I spent an hour or more on Google Maps walking through the complex! Fascinating!

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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            @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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            • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

              Däniken's 'paleo-contact' claims of extraterrestrial influences on early human development, attracted a dedicated following, despite his earlier convictions for theft, fraud and embezzlement (and robust debunking of his theories). Films, soundtracks, and even prog concept albums followed his books.

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              #9

              @Richard_Littler Some white people are desperate to believe anything to avoid having to realise that ancient brown people have constructed impressive monuments.

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              • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                #10

                @Richard_Littler

                I have never heard of this and just found out, it's near Interlaken and around a children's fun fair, called "Mysty Land".

                https://jungfraupark.ch/mysty-land/

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                • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                  When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                  #11

                  @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                  I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                    #12

                    @cstross @Richard_Littler I've met the guy back in 2004 when his bizarre theme park was relatively new. Some analogue shots right off the Migros Picture CD-ROM in this thread: https://mastodon.social/deck/@guenterhack/115877370682477543

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                      #13

                      @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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                      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                        @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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                        #14

                        @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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                        • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                          When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                          #15

                          @Richard_Littler Cool buildings!

                          I think I read one of his books as a teen. Can't remember which one though. A remember reading a lot of Charles Berlitz, which seems the same type of genre, just about the Bermuda Triangle.

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                            I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                            #16

                            @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                            My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                              #17

                              @cstross @Richard_Littler Back when colonialist white supremacist racism sold well. The whole racist "ancient aliens" thing has stuck around in the decades since, but not in such profitable form I think.

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                              • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                                #18

                                @Richard_Littler We had raves there.

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                                • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                  @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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                                  #19

                                  @Richard_Littler @cstross also as a treat "Erich von Däniken weg" means "Erich von Däniken gone"

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                                    I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                                    @cstross @Richard_Littler I'm imagining something like the Shandor building in the original Ghostbusters film, where the architecture makes it part of a summoning gateway.

                                    It's a real building, too, though somewhat altered via film magic for the movie.

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Central_Park_West

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                                    • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                      @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                                      My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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                                      #21

                                      @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                                      • richard_littler@mastodon.socialR richard_littler@mastodon.social

                                        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                                        #22

                                        @Richard_Littler oooooh, that's interesting. Any contact between that guy and Claude Vorilhon (also known as Raël)?

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                                          #23

                                          @cstross @Richard_Littler There's the implied subtext. And then there's the explicit, in-your-face JAQing off, like: "Was the black race a failure and did the extraterrestrials change the genetic code by gene surgery and then programme a white or a yellow race?" (von Däniken, /Signs of the Gods/, 1980, in the chapter “Man Outsmarts Nature” – loads more where that came from)

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