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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

    Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

    Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

    1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
    2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
    3: There is no 3.

    Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

    https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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    #6

    @jwz My response in the third block:

    ---

    There is no #3. GET THE FSCK OUT OF THE LLM CESSPOOL!

    "But everyone else is adopting AI..."

    Oh, so I suppose if everyone else jumped off the Empire State Building, *you* would have to jump off the Empire State Building.

    LLMs are the 3D movies of tech. A novelty. It *seems* cool, but in truth it's a *dead end.* Save your reputation. Save your *MONEY!* Get off the bandwagon before it sails off the cliff.

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

      Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

      Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

      1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
      2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
      3: There is no 3.

      Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

      https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

      sassinake@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #7

      @jwz

      I forgot to add: get a decent spell-check. 5/6 suggestions are just letter-salads, not words.

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

        Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

        Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

        1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
        2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
        3: There is no 3.

        Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

        https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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        #8

        @jwz The only thing I would add to that list is to provide industry leading developer tools built in to the browser that allow developers to build the most robust, performant, beautiful and standards compliant web apps.

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        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

          RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

          Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

          Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

          1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
          2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
          3: There is no 3.

          Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

          https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

          sayrer@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #9

          @jwz it's already done and detached if you look closely. speaking as someone that had their name under yours on that monstrous Makefile https://servo.org/

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

            Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

            Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

            1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
            2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
            3: There is no 3.

            Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

            https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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            #10

            Correct on all counts.

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            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

              RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

              Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

              Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

              1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
              2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
              3: There is no 3.

              Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

              https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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              #11

              @jwz Make everything AI free Mozilla. We already have human intelligence. AI is simply regurgitating stolen human intelligence

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              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                3: There is no 3.

                Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

                sandipb@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #12

                @jwz
                I might sound a bit underducated on this, but I also wish they could make the Gecko rendering engine more independently usable. It pisses me off that every new browser is based on Chromium. imo if we make the rendering engine more popular, it will get way more attention and people jumping in to fix issues lying around for years because of lack of staff.

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                  Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                  Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                  1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                  2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                  3: There is no 3.

                  Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                  https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

                  canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #13

                  @jwz Mozilla is braindead at this point.

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                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                    RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                    Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                    Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                    1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                    2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                    3: There is no 3.

                    Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                    https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                    #14

                    @jwz Amen, jwz!
                    Fuck AI.

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                      Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                      Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                      1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                      2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                      3: There is no 3.

                      Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                      https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                      schrieb zuletzt editiert von
                      #15

                      @jwz agreed, if someone wants LLM integration in their browser - let them install it as a plugin. Or just use Comet instead. Firefox should be like the kernel, everythiing else is userspace programs

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                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                        Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                        Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                        1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                        2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                        3: There is no 3.

                        Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                        https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                        #16

                        @jwz Make sure to use Other and the freeform field to specify #NoAI rather than use their words to allow weaseling into saying responders are ok with LLM bullshit as long as it's used 'differently'.

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                          Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                          Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                          1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                          2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                          3: There is no 3.

                          Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                          https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                          #17
                          @jwz Gotta love their blatant lie after submitting the form:

                          "Mozilla is building a movement to make sure that the internet and technology prioritizes people over profit. More than 100,000 people around the world donate to the Mozilla Foundation. Will you become a donor to Mozilla today?"

                          I say "hard no" until they get off the AI bandwagon; I will resume my support once that happens. I still think Mozilla of old has a very important role to play, and I have a hard time seeing who should take their place on short notice. We cannot let Google own it all, and be the only grown-up in the room.
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                          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                            RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                            Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                            Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                            1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                            2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                            3: There is no 3.

                            Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                            https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                            #18

                            @jwz

                            🤜💥🤛‬

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                            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                              RE: https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/115922995190919975

                              Mozilla wants your input. Here's mine:

                              Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

                              1: Building THE reference implementation web browser, and
                              2: Being a jugular-snapping attack dog on standards committees.
                              3: There is no 3.

                              Mozilla should have NOTHING to do with AI. Nobody wants it. Stop forcing AI into every corner of every project because your VC-brained management have completely lost the plot.

                              https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

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                              #19

                              @jwz That survey was an exercise in asking us to please please let them do the AI.
                              Here's my response:

                              "Please, if management want to suck at the teet of AI and the grifting engine, spin out the browser and email clients. Let the community safeguard those. I don't even mind if you keep the names Firefox and thunderbird. But we can't afford for AI to be permanently entwined in this browser. We have forks but we need more community governance clear of the current hype in silicon valley." 1/4

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                              • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

                                @jwz That survey was an exercise in asking us to please please let them do the AI.
                                Here's my response:

                                "Please, if management want to suck at the teet of AI and the grifting engine, spin out the browser and email clients. Let the community safeguard those. I don't even mind if you keep the names Firefox and thunderbird. But we can't afford for AI to be permanently entwined in this browser. We have forks but we need more community governance clear of the current hype in silicon valley." 1/4

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                                #20

                                @jwz

                                "You aren't listening to your community and it's giving rather predatory vibes when we know the risks of bias and the wholesale stealing of our culture to produce slop at the expense of the biosphere and the communities where AI data centres are built." 2/4

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                                • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

                                  @jwz

                                  "You aren't listening to your community and it's giving rather predatory vibes when we know the risks of bias and the wholesale stealing of our culture to produce slop at the expense of the biosphere and the communities where AI data centres are built." 2/4

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                                  #21

                                  @jwz "This series of questions is you trying to get the backing of the community to go for AI. Fork the browser and start a new company if that's the case. You can't of course because folks know Firefox and Thunderbird. You're stealing past work and all of this is for that sweet sweet investment dollar at a time when the crash is nearly here." 3/4

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                                  • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

                                    @jwz "This series of questions is you trying to get the backing of the community to go for AI. Fork the browser and start a new company if that's the case. You can't of course because folks know Firefox and Thunderbird. You're stealing past work and all of this is for that sweet sweet investment dollar at a time when the crash is nearly here." 3/4

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                                    #22

                                    @jwz "We don't give you our permission.

                                    Take our no to AI as an answer.

                                    Here's my further thoughts in a blog post.

                                    You may not read it, but I know others will.

                                    https://dotart.blog/cobbles/ai-and-that-guy-at-the-bar"

                                    4/4

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