Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud.
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@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, thou'rt living in a bubble if thou thinkest Google makes any of the mentioned activity easy (or even possible depending on the OEM). This is not the year 2000, distributions other than <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/android.png" title=":android:" /> Google/Linux are outliers, not the majority. Cc: @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social
@cnx @terminaltilt now you switched to Google? tell me what Google and their services have to do wtih Linux? Linux does NOT offer any Google SaaS or whetever to their users. Linux is an operating system. it works with hardware, that's all. the rest is user level software and there're tens of major and minor distributions based on Linux with very different sets of packages and settings, from basic end user ready-to-go installations to higjly customizeable systems like Slackware or Gentoo, and they all are very different. so your claims about "Linux imposing something to users" are just senseless and groundless.
and I'm not "living in a bubble", I'm a professional developer and work with Linux for ages. I worked with Linux systems from tiny embedded devices to gross high-load servers with hundreds of CPU and terabytes of traffic. and I won't let you spread lies about it. -
@cnx @terminaltilt now you switched to Google? tell me what Google and their services have to do wtih Linux? Linux does NOT offer any Google SaaS or whetever to their users. Linux is an operating system. it works with hardware, that's all. the rest is user level software and there're tens of major and minor distributions based on Linux with very different sets of packages and settings, from basic end user ready-to-go installations to higjly customizeable systems like Slackware or Gentoo, and they all are very different. so your claims about "Linux imposing something to users" are just senseless and groundless.
and I'm not "living in a bubble", I'm a professional developer and work with Linux for ages. I worked with Linux systems from tiny embedded devices to gross high-load servers with hundreds of CPU and terabytes of traffic. and I won't let you spread lies about it.@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, our niche experience with GNU/Linux is not representative of the majority of Google/Linux systems deployed in the wild on end-user devices.
As an analogy, @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social said drink soda and you can avoid sugar, I commented most soda has sugar and thou replied with actually my sugar-free soda doesn't have sugar. Well yea, no shit, so doesn't mine, and that was my point, soda is a shit indicator that the drink doesn't contain sugar. What part of the reality that 99% of end-user systems using the Linux kernel are some variant of Android Google/Linux dostn't thou refuse to understand?
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@terminaltilt Does anyone else see the irony of posting links to hosted articles and Youtube videos in this thread?
@terminaltilt
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@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, I use Linux. and I have never ever used any SaaSS is a very different statement from what @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social suggested, i.e. use Linux and you'll be free from SaaSS, consider the majority of Linux systems force and trick its users to only know of SaaSS as the sole way to do things.
FWIW I use Linux kernel too and I don't use SaaSS, but the kernel could be swapped out for a BSD one and there'd be literally no difference to the way I do computing, hence Linux is hardly the representative for software freedom. The people behind GNU or OpenBSD or whatever free userspace, no matter how shit thou perceive them, at least don't try to fuck over people like what's on the front page of linuxfoundation.org.
@cnx @terminaltilt @iron_bug can you play modern games on BSD? I bet you don't. BSDs are not general-purpose operating systems. -
@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, our niche experience with GNU/Linux is not representative of the majority of Google/Linux systems deployed in the wild on end-user devices.
As an analogy, @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social said drink soda and you can avoid sugar, I commented most soda has sugar and thou replied with actually my sugar-free soda doesn't have sugar. Well yea, no shit, so doesn't mine, and that was my point, soda is a shit indicator that the drink doesn't contain sugar. What part of the reality that 99% of end-user systems using the Linux kernel are some variant of Android Google/Linux dostn't thou refuse to understand?
@cnx @terminaltilt nope, you said "my personal cup of shit contains sugar" and that means "the most cups contain sugar". something like this. but I have experience with many Linux distros and builds and there's no SaaS anywhere. I can't even imagine where SaaS could be applied to Linux, because those are usually proprietary bullshit and Linux software is free in most cases, and has nothing to do with corps. moreover, you won't be able to install proprietary crap on most distributions because of plain incompatibility. -
@andre_ourednik @terminaltilt You're likely significantly overestimating the difference, and it may not even be a positive one. Servers in datacenters get rotated out and disposed of on a fixed schedule, typically, long before they actually stop working - whereas consumer hardware often gets handed down until it literally breaks.
Not to mention all the technical and resource overhead of remote anything. That network hardware and corresponding power use isn't free to the environment either.
If you're looking for a way to materially reduce the environmental footprint of computing, I would suggest that "the advertising industry" is probably the first place to look instead. They're responsible for a vast, vast chunk of energy and resource usage in computing and networking, while providing marginal to no value to society - it's a purely extractive industry.
Even ignoring the web, look up the power consumption of a single one of those video ad units they put on train stations and in shopping centers, and you'll probably be reeling from just how environmentally wasteful all this stuff is - and consumer hardware will suddenly look like a drop in the bucket. As a teaser: virtually all of those advertising screens have audible active cooling despite sound insulation attempts.
So... no, there's really no environmental point in a rental model. Insofar it makes any positive difference at all, that sure isn't the intention behind it, and all it does is further support an extractive culture that destroys the environment with no consideration for anything but its own profits. You don't even get to choose whether the hardware is turned on anymore. That is not an environmental win.
@joepie91 @terminaltilt I see your point, thanks. Would you have refs for the enregy/material consumption tradeof between individual devices and remote processing systems?
Recently I've pulled 2 10yrs Mac Books of my parents-in-law from obsolescence by updating to the latest compatible OS, as they weren't even able to access mail accounts and simple websites anymore. Ultimately, they'll have to buy new machines for mere software incompatibility reasons, and this I find crazy. What alternatives? -
@cnx @terminaltilt @iron_bug can you play modern games on BSD? I bet you don't. BSDs are not general-purpose operating systems.
I don't play proprietary garbage, so yes, @ninesigns@birdity.club, I can play my favorite modern games on BSD. If thou preferest the former on BSD, get a played station or sth idk. @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social @iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
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@cnx @terminaltilt nope, you said "my personal cup of shit contains sugar" and that means "the most cups contain sugar". something like this. but I have experience with many Linux distros and builds and there's no SaaS anywhere. I can't even imagine where SaaS could be applied to Linux, because those are usually proprietary bullshit and Linux software is free in most cases, and has nothing to do with corps. moreover, you won't be able to install proprietary crap on most distributions because of plain incompatibility.
@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, out of 3.3 billion end-user devices running Linux, only about 33 million of them uses free-ish distros thou'rt talking about. Please read what I wrote a wee more carefully because it seems I'm repeating meself here. Cc: @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
His colleague Larry Allison can be happy, it's always been his dream forever (Go and look at his old statements during interviews and documentaries)
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@SteveJB @terminaltilt They're not higher specced at all?
(Or was that just for the Windows 11 bloat?)@tokyo_0 @terminaltilt Yes, they do have higher specs, but using MS as an example: MS requirements:
-Comes with new NPU, CPU, and GPU powered silicone.
-Comes with Copilot.
--Has the Copilot key.But that PC runs AI the way your current PC "runs the internet". Very little of the function is local. It takes 10s of thousands of processors to run the simplest of AI processes. Hence the huge data centers.
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@terminaltilt Linux isn't a panacea and, in many ways, it's not ready for consumer prime time but, given the alternatives, it's the only choice for thinking users.
@Yoshi @terminaltilt I know some very low skilled users of linux, when something doesn't work they just phonecall the local guy (amazing, a real human) who did the install for them. It's dependency but at local level, in a countryside area and not so hard on the wallet considering they bought the PC quite cheap. It could be mainstreamed, but the money would stay on earth and nobody above the cloud would want that to happen.
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@herrLorenz @tom @terminaltilt
Interesting.
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@iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org, out of 3.3 billion end-user devices running Linux, only about 33 million of them uses free-ish distros thou'rt talking about. Please read what I wrote a wee more carefully because it seems I'm repeating meself here. Cc: @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social
@cnx @terminaltilt you counted this yourself? I haven't such statistics from any serious and reliable sources.
Linux is about servers and embedded hardware, first of all. and that devices much more in number than end-user gadgets.
and once again: Linux is an operating system. the kernel. it does not deal with any SaaS or whatever. it provides HAL for user level software. and user level software may be whatever, but this is not "Linux". -
@Yoshi @terminaltilt I know some very low skilled users of linux, when something doesn't work they just phonecall the local guy (amazing, a real human) who did the install for them. It's dependency but at local level, in a countryside area and not so hard on the wallet considering they bought the PC quite cheap. It could be mainstreamed, but the money would stay on earth and nobody above the cloud would want that to happen.
@OLeben I'm not exactly a newbie, having gotten into the computer industry in the days of DEC PDP-8, PDP-11 and DECTape. At this point in my life, I want a PC that just works. I don't want to have to think about hw/sw/fw. I live in a college town with 60,000 students but getting help is a PITA. Right now, I'm trying to figure out why SimpleScan, which worked fine in the past, is suddenly crapping out on a simple save. BTW, your English is impeccable. I wish I could read French.
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt over my cold, dead body. I will happily use arm single board computers, or go back to 16, or even 8 bit computing and solder my own parts together to avoid that. I'd rather be that weird local electronic chop shop geezer then let my computing be in hands of ppl like him.
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@filobus @terminaltilt What other options are there? Oracle? Microsoft? If you had to use the cloud, where do you go to avoid the big guns and trump buddies?
@NormanDunbar @filobus @terminaltilt you can build your own cloud, organise
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt ‘Own even less and give people like me more money for the privilege.’
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