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#Minneapolis ALERT: #ICE trying to follow white people after grocery shopping, trying to follow them to hidden migrant families.

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  • iampytest1@infosec.exchangeI iampytest1@infosec.exchange

    @LukefromDC Is there evidence that is how they are tracking people? Have any of the claims by this person been confirmed by reliable sources? Is this a widespread phenomena or a few isolated incidents?

    Are they actually tracking phones, or are they just parking outside stores and physically following people?
    The latter would be incredibly impractical, due to the number of grocery stores in the city and the massive number of people visiting them on a daily basis, so I highly doubt that is the case.
    The post is inconsistent; the first part implies people are being followed, but the second implies ICE is somehow using GPS apps. Which apps? The OOP doesn't say.

    There are many ways to track a phone; I think its far more likely they would just buy the data from data brokers or get it from phone providers, two practices law enforcement is known to use (based on my memory; I can find a citation if you want)
    As such, just not using GPS apps provides a false sense of security.

    I remain very skeptical of the vague claims made by a random X user. I also can't find the original post on the X account allenanalysis.

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    @iampytest1 Someone else on the ground reports this has been going on a couple weeks. My GUESS is they wait at grocery stores for specifc cars to appear

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    • nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.ukN nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.uk

      @LukefromDC So phone manufacturers provide tracking history to ice now?
      That means that both Apple and Google disclose all the location history of people?

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      #20

      @nickapos 3ed party data aggregators buying data from app vendors such as Facebook do, and much less accurate tower location data is also bought and sold.

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      • nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.ukN nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.uk

        @LukefromDC So phone manufacturers provide tracking history to ice now?
        That means that both Apple and Google disclose all the location history of people?

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        #21

        @nickapos Google at least supposedly moved location history to on-device to avoid abortion-related subpeonas from states like Texas.

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        • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

          #Minneapolis ALERT: #ICE trying to follow white people after grocery shopping, trying to follow them to hidden migrant families.

          Neighborhood groups asking people NOT to enter addresses into navigation apps, which can be monitored by ICE or simply read from a phone captured whle not locked.

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          @LukefromDC @socketwench Hope they need a trip to mexico because Im not going home now 😄

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          • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

            @nickapos @LukefromDC OFC, they always did!

            • What else did you expect from #PRISM collaborators and corporations subject to #CloudAct?
              • You don't even pay them [enough] to risk jailtime!

            The #USA is a #cyberfascist hellhole!!!

            #USpol #fascism

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            #23

            @kkarhan If I could get myself and family out of this dystopian hell hole Id be on the first whatever outta here...

            @nickapos @LukefromDC

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            • glent@aus.socialG glent@aus.social

              @sleepingexplorer @LukefromDC It's a database rather than an application. But the data is widely used by offline navigators like Comaps.

              But honestly, if you are involved in this sort of activity you owe it to those you are assisting to memorise such information.

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              #24

              @glent @sleepingexplorer We should probably have well-known activists "delivering groceries" to random empty spaces just to create resource and morale-sapping diversions against ICE.

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              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                #Minneapolis ALERT: #ICE trying to follow white people after grocery shopping, trying to follow them to hidden migrant families.

                Neighborhood groups asking people NOT to enter addresses into navigation apps, which can be monitored by ICE or simply read from a phone captured whle not locked.

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                #25

                @LukefromDC for the record, as someone with an information privacy background we wholeheartedly endorse this advice. if an address is sensitive, do not search it in GPS, do not put it in your contact list, do not type it into a phone or computer at all. write it on paper.

                and, yes, eat it if it comes to that.

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                • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                  @iampytest1 Someone else on the ground reports this has been going on a couple weeks. My GUESS is they wait at grocery stores for specifc cars to appear

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                  #26

                  @LukefromDC Just curious, where have you seen those reports?

                  My GUESS is they wait at grocery stores for specifc cars to appear

                  That seems plausible; admittedly, that's a much more reasonable reading of the OOP than mine.

                  Thanks

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                  • nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.ukN nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.uk

                    @LukefromDC So phone manufacturers provide tracking history to ice now?
                    That means that both Apple and Google disclose all the location history of people?

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                    #27

                    @nickapos @LukefromDC now?! Phone companies have been licking the federal boots pretty much since inception. It’s not even a conspiracy, they’re open about it.

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                    • calcifer@masto.hackers.townC calcifer@masto.hackers.town

                      @nickapos @LukefromDC now?! Phone companies have been licking the federal boots pretty much since inception. It’s not even a conspiracy, they’re open about it.

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                      #28

                      @calcifer @LukefromDC Yeah cellular companies have always done this, but I had not heard so far that they could track people live by using data from Google or Apple Maps.
                      Using the cell towers is not as precise as using gps.
                      Also GPS is a passive service, so only via the map apps something like this can be done.

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                      • kusuriya@masto.hackers.townK kusuriya@masto.hackers.town

                        @kkarhan If I could get myself and family out of this dystopian hell hole Id be on the first whatever outta here...

                        @nickapos @LukefromDC

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                        #29

                        @kusuriya @nickapos @LukefromDC consider pitching your CV to some recruiters.

                        • Cut there is demand for anyone who doesn't instantly make PCs blow magic smoke and knows more than starting up Windows.
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                        • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                          #Minneapolis ALERT: #ICE trying to follow white people after grocery shopping, trying to follow them to hidden migrant families.

                          Neighborhood groups asking people NOT to enter addresses into navigation apps, which can be monitored by ICE or simply read from a phone captured whle not locked.

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                          #30

                          @LukefromDC
                          This is actually familiar. In germany we learn this in school. The nazis raided homes to get to hidden jewish families.

                          The movie inglorious basterds depicts this exact thing.

                          Maybe you need an equivalent to "the bear jew" and repeat the scene from the movie?

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                          • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

                            @kusuriya @nickapos @LukefromDC consider pitching your CV to some recruiters.

                            • Cut there is demand for anyone who doesn't instantly make PCs blow magic smoke and knows more than starting up Windows.
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                            #31

                            @kkarhan @nickapos @LukefromDC Well making PCs blow magic smoke ia my specialty but it comes with the territory of doing cybersecurity work!

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                            • kusuriya@masto.hackers.townK kusuriya@masto.hackers.town

                              @kkarhan @nickapos @LukefromDC Well making PCs blow magic smoke ia my specialty but it comes with the territory of doing cybersecurity work!

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                              #32

                              @kusuriya @nickapos @LukefromDC Anything Cybersec is in high demand.

                              Seriously…

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                              • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

                                @kusuriya @nickapos @LukefromDC Anything Cybersec is in high demand.

                                Seriously…

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                                #33

                                @kkarhan @kusuriya @LukefromDC Most European countries are also making immigration difficult. I am not saying it is not doable, and yeah Europe has so far resisted imitating US fully, but it is becoming more difficult by the day.
                                Canada is probably the easier option for a US person.

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                                • nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.ukN nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.uk

                                  @kkarhan @kusuriya @LukefromDC Most European countries are also making immigration difficult. I am not saying it is not doable, and yeah Europe has so far resisted imitating US fully, but it is becoming more difficult by the day.
                                  Canada is probably the easier option for a US person.

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                                  #34

                                  @nickapos @LukefromDC @kusuriya depends on one's personal case.

                                  • AFAIK #Canada considers the #USA a "safe country of origin", but #Germany does not.
                                    • Either way, I'd recommend to seek non-asylum options first. Like the #OpportunityCard.

                                  https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/opportunity-card/job-search

                                  OFC this is #NotLegalAdvice and I'd recommend to seek advice first.

                                  • @marcel and his colleagues may be able to check your options and eligibility.
                                    • Do inquire about availability tho first... Worst-case they may refer you to another, equally qualified spechalist...
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                                  • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

                                    @nickapos @LukefromDC @kusuriya depends on one's personal case.

                                    • AFAIK #Canada considers the #USA a "safe country of origin", but #Germany does not.
                                      • Either way, I'd recommend to seek non-asylum options first. Like the #OpportunityCard.

                                    https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/opportunity-card/job-search

                                    OFC this is #NotLegalAdvice and I'd recommend to seek advice first.

                                    • @marcel and his colleagues may be able to check your options and eligibility.
                                      • Do inquire about availability tho first... Worst-case they may refer you to another, equally qualified spechalist...
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                                    #35

                                    @nickapos @LukefromDC @kusuriya as for job applications: I do have some recruiters in my organizer that are eager to find IT spechalists.

                                    U.S. citizens can, according to @AuswaertigesAmt 's own Visa Navigator change their status post-entry.

                                    • And for IT you only need 24 months of work experience within the last 60 months to qualify.
                                      • Again, #NotLegalAdvice…
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