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  • pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP pattyhanson@mastodon.social

    @raymaccarthy @infobeautiful @ourworldindata If you're in Russia, it's from falling out of windows.

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    #37

    @PattyHanson @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
    Occasionally Russians abroad fall out of windows.

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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

      by @ourworldindata

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      #38

      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
      How many deaths 2025 are caused by diseases for which vaccines exist?

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

        by @ourworldindata

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        #39

        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

        How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

        If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

        If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

          i don't know but i would say that some of those COVID deaths should be classified as homicide or suicide

          people who died of COVID who did everything right but were betrayed by a MAGA moron who introduced the disease into their life and killed them

          and MAGA morons who essentially committed suicide by COVID because they took no precautions and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield, or just didn't care if they died

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          #40

          @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Same argument could be made for the other diseases listed too. How much heart disease is caused by corporations insisting on a "right" to push cheap, addictive, harmful foods? Or by insurance companies refusing to pay for preventative care? How much of that cancer is caused by the obscene profits made by dumping carcinogens into our environment? How many of those strokes are...actually I dunno enough about the causes of that one...but I'm still pretty sure the billionaires have *something* to do with it! lol

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          • admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com

            @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Same argument could be made for the other diseases listed too. How much heart disease is caused by corporations insisting on a "right" to push cheap, addictive, harmful foods? Or by insurance companies refusing to pay for preventative care? How much of that cancer is caused by the obscene profits made by dumping carcinogens into our environment? How many of those strokes are...actually I dunno enough about the causes of that one...but I'm still pretty sure the billionaires have *something* to do with it! lol

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            #41

            @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

            strokes are high blood pressure so same as heart disease

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            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

              What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

              by @ourworldindata

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              #42

              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
              In J-School, first-year students learn the definition of news with the difference between the 'Dog bites man' and 'Man bites dog' headlines. The above is also a great representation. The uninitiated would confuse newsworthiness with perception of importance, as evidenced by the conspiracists (U.S. folks?) in this commentary.

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              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                by @ourworldindata

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                #43

                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I would love to see a similar graphic designed to add one or more comparison countries. E.g., if Canada was added the rates of Heart disease and cancer are probably similar to US, and probably equally ignored in media...

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                • D drorbedrack@mastodon.social

                  @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I get what this is saying, but isnt this the old "man bites dog" issue?
                  Of course the media will report sensational, extraordinary things. This is what people want to hear about.
                  It's also easier when there are clear villains and victims, and not something abstract like economic forces, infrastructure, or lifestyle.

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                  #44

                  @DrorBedrack @infobeautiful @ourworldindata my thoughts exactly. The news reports on things that are, well, newsworthy. It's worth noting that, according to the chart, COVID deaths were 2% of the deaths, but 5% of the reporting. It's almost like there was something worth reporting on at the time!

                  News media sucks in lots of ways, but "death-related reporting doesn't accurately reflect causes of deaths" is not one of them.

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                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                    by @ourworldindata

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                    #45

                    This is why I always tell people to follow the data, not the headlines

                    Media optimizes for clicks and emotional reactions. Reality optimizes for... reality

                    The gap between what we THINK kills people and what ACTUALLY kills people explains so much about how we allocate resources, funding, and attention as a society

                    Heart disease quietly takes out more people than anything on the front page, but it does not generate engagement so it stays invisible

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @mloxton @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                      killing grandma for the orange god

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                      #46

                      @benroyce
                      In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
                      Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

                      @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                      • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                        @benroyce
                        In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
                        Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

                        @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                        #47

                        @mloxton @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata 😔

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                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                          What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                          by @ourworldindata

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                          #48

                          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                          ...and guessing there will be very similar charts here in Europe and many other parts of the world. This problem of hyperdistorted coverage is not at all confined to America.

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                          • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                            @benroyce
                            In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
                            Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

                            @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                            #49

                            I also want to pause to observe, once again, how absolutely fucking insane it was that instead of masking up, avoiding crowds, and sticking to a sanitary regime, many of these people rushed out to buy guns instead. Because in their folklore, the biggest danger wasn't a disease, but brown people coming to steal their stash of jerky and bourbon

                            @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                            • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                              How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                              If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                              If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                              #50

                              @Trifolium nope--you are missing the point. @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                by @ourworldindata

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                                #51

                                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata @franceinfo
                                Peut-on avoir la même analyse en France. Media publique versus Bolloré group. #FranceInfo

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                                • snowyca@social.vivaldi.netS snowyca@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @Trifolium nope--you are missing the point. @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                  #52

                                  @SnowyCA @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                  Pray tell then what you think is the point.

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                    strokes are high blood pressure so same as heart disease

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                                    #53

                                    @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata also a high sodium diet is a strong stroke risk, and guess what else they pump into our food?

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                                    • wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.hostW wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.host

                                      @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata also a high sodium diet is a strong stroke risk, and guess what else they pump into our food?

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                                      #54

                                      @Wyatt_H_Knott @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                      ✅

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                                      • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                        How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                                        If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                                        If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                                        #55

                                        @Trifolium What reason? Sensationalism? Terror and murder go on all over the world, the reporting of it is entirely political. While stroke risk, which is a HUGE problem, and is EASY to fix, gets NOTHING.

                                        Stop talking and start thinking that you might be part of the problem.

                                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                        • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                                          @SnowyCA @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                          Pray tell then what you think is the point.

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                                          #56

                                          @Trifolium
                                          The point is this:
                                          There was a time when the media gave us facts not sensationalism...I'm old enough to remember those days.

                                          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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