It will never stop being funny to me that the whole "you can't trust Wikipedia because anyone can edit it" scare happened and now Wikipedia is the only trustworthy website because it turns out profit motive is the reason things turn to shit.
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@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
I really don't see non-working people as an issue when you see the amount of profits that got stolen by the ultra-richs every day.
Also, it requires to define what is participating in society. Staying at home doing art is participation, taking care of other people is participation, etc...
I would like to participate in a more facilitated way like school had special ed for me.
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I would like to participate in a more facilitated way like school had special ed for me.
Special ed is more socialist more than other kinds of education that are simply required to maintain a democracy and capitalism.
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So what I argue is that socialism already exists but people arent willing to accept this is a form of socialism.
@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
It's more like socialist features
I don't think anybody argues that social aids exists (especially in Europe where I live).
But to be a real socialist society, workers need to own the production.
Living of social aids that can disappear after any election (even without a change of system) is not socilism, being forced to work 8hrs/day just to eat and have a roof isn't socialism.
in Belgium, I feel we constantly have to fight for our social rights.
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Special ed is more socialist more than other kinds of education that are simply required to maintain a democracy and capitalism.
ADDING some forms of socialism described a democracy derived from “the workers” and I think this is the part that makes me upset. Its clearly based on old forms of organization. If I take it historically, this expands democracy. If I take it modern, it limits it.
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It will never stop being funny to me that the whole "you can't trust Wikipedia because anyone can edit it" scare happened and now Wikipedia is the only trustworthy website because it turns out profit motive is the reason things turn to shit.
@AlSweigart i think you can still do well consulting with open source tools/sw/apps, profit motive can be a factor but there needs to be more beyond that and open source community provides pretty good support #info for sale #who needs disinformation?
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ADDING some forms of socialism described a democracy derived from “the workers” and I think this is the part that makes me upset. Its clearly based on old forms of organization. If I take it historically, this expands democracy. If I take it modern, it limits it.
@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
Yes, I guess it's because they were definied by economists during the industrial revolution.
I think it still makes sense though since the idea is to turn labor (any kind) into value that would benefit all society.
I agree "workers" isn't a good term. It's rather "people who create value", and this value isn't just monetary/material of course (money doesn't even exist in the final stage which is communism).
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@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
Yes, I guess it's because they were definied by economists during the industrial revolution.
I think it still makes sense though since the idea is to turn labor (any kind) into value that would benefit all society.
I agree "workers" isn't a good term. It's rather "people who create value", and this value isn't just monetary/material of course (money doesn't even exist in the final stage which is communism).
@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
I don't know enough about that stuff but my guess is modern writtings/videos/etc should exists?
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@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
I don't know enough about that stuff but my guess is modern writtings/videos/etc should exists?
I think modern stuff is trying to salvage too much instead of looking at stuff as it is currently and failing in a lot of ways to acknowledge non-capitalist parts of the economy. And its complexity.
I think its a big ask… I think socialism and capitalism as dichotomies is unhelpful? Or inaccurate? And outdated in feeling. Cause since I am 100% government cared for, its hard to argue its capitalism
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I think modern stuff is trying to salvage too much instead of looking at stuff as it is currently and failing in a lot of ways to acknowledge non-capitalist parts of the economy. And its complexity.
I think its a big ask… I think socialism and capitalism as dichotomies is unhelpful? Or inaccurate? And outdated in feeling. Cause since I am 100% government cared for, its hard to argue its capitalism
And then the arguing art would benefit from a 100% communist sort of centralized economy is also a BIG yikes and never feels like its thought out by anyone other than Big Tech who would gladly promote that since it would benefit AI to eat all the intellectual property that no longer belongs to individuals . Which never met someone non-tech who legit thought intellectual property wasn’t important . But that’s actually a capitalist thing. Not socialist at all.
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And then the arguing art would benefit from a 100% communist sort of centralized economy is also a BIG yikes and never feels like its thought out by anyone other than Big Tech who would gladly promote that since it would benefit AI to eat all the intellectual property that no longer belongs to individuals . Which never met someone non-tech who legit thought intellectual property wasn’t important . But that’s actually a capitalist thing. Not socialist at all.
@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart
Billionaires and big tech lies constantly. I don't really know if they themselves believe in it, I don't think it's the case.
When you listen to them, like the Suno CEO, it's always about money, never about art. They're 100% a product of capitalism where money is the only value that matters.
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