It will never stop being funny to me that the whole "you can't trust Wikipedia because anyone can edit it" scare happened and now Wikipedia is the only trustworthy website because it turns out profit motive is the reason things turn to shit.

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

Anarchistic socialism/comminism is the main people I end up arguing with but you actually do need a hierarchy to have a functional medical and welfare system. Someone to collect taxes and redistribute. It requires a stronger state to do that. Thinking you can do that with what amounts to federated unions at best with no means for non working who never worked to participate….

The socialism that can exist with capitalism is not the same as what Im arguing with.

@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart

I personaly see stateless communism as a perfect idea that can't be reeached. Some kind of guideline but it doesn't matter much to me as it would take multiple lives to get there.

The socialism I'm defending is the step between capitalism and communism (which to me could as much be eternal as it looks like a nice world to live in).

Basically you still have a state to distribute the profits and you don't need to participate to get your share.

@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart

I personaly see stateless communism as a perfect idea that can't be reeached. Some kind of guideline but it doesn't matter much to me as it would take multiple lives to get there.

The socialism I'm defending is the step between capitalism and communism (which to me could as much be eternal as it looks like a nice world to live in).

Basically you still have a state to distribute the profits and you don't need to participate to get your share.

@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart

I really don't see non-working people as an issue when you see the amount of profits that got stolen by the ultra-richs every day.

Also, it requires to define what is participating in society. Staying at home doing art is participation, taking care of other people is participation, etc...

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

I would like to participate in a more facilitated way like school had special ed for me.

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

So what I argue is that socialism already exists but people arent willing to accept this is a form of socialism.

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

Special ed is more socialist more than other kinds of education that are simply required to maintain a democracy and capitalism.

It will never stop being funny to me that the whole "you can't trust Wikipedia because anyone can edit it" scare happened and now Wikipedia is the only trustworthy website because it turns out profit motive is the reason things turn to shit.

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

ADDING some forms of socialism described a democracy derived from “the workers” and I think this is the part that makes me upset. Its clearly based on old forms of organization. If I take it historically, this expands democracy. If I take it modern, it limits it.

@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart

Yes, I guess it's because they were definied by economists during the industrial revolution.

I think it still makes sense though since the idea is to turn labor (any kind) into value that would benefit all society.

I agree "workers" isn't a good term. It's rather "people who create value", and this value isn't just monetary/material of course (money doesn't even exist in the final stage which is communism).

@Energetic_Nova @sotolf @AlSweigart

I don't know enough about that stuff but my guess is modern writtings/videos/etc should exists?

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

I think modern stuff is trying to salvage too much instead of looking at stuff as it is currently and failing in a lot of ways to acknowledge non-capitalist parts of the economy. And its complexity.

I think its a big ask… I think socialism and capitalism as dichotomies is unhelpful? Or inaccurate? And outdated in feeling. Cause since I am 100% government cared for, its hard to argue its capitalism ‍

@Beldarak @sotolf @AlSweigart

And then the arguing art would benefit from a 100% communist sort of centralized economy is also a BIG yikes and never feels like its thought out by anyone other than Big Tech who would gladly promote that since it would benefit AI to eat all the intellectual property that no longer belongs to individuals . Which never met someone non-tech who legit thought intellectual property wasn’t important . But that’s actually a capitalist thing. Not socialist at all.