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Territorial integrity and sovereignty are fundamental principles of international law.

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  • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

    @HennaVirkkunen

    Problem is that if respect for International Law shrinks to the EU and a few outliers - it isn't very international.

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    @stuart @HennaVirkkunen

    Absolutely.. Everything will work only if all the players play the same game with the same rules.

    And clearly that is not the case.

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      #30

      @energisch_ @stuart @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen Maybe Trump will unify the EU, just like RFK Jr. has made vaccines more popular in the USA than before.

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      • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

        @energisch_ @stuart @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen Maybe Trump will unify the EU, just like RFK Jr. has made vaccines more popular in the USA than before.

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        #31

        @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

        Rejoining the EU will be a long and tortuous trail for the UK no matter it's what people want. More iinteresting, easier and faster is to expand the EEA (countries sharing the EU single market but not members). Drop the first E so we could include Canada, Australia and anybody else who thinks this the best way to protect themselves.

        The EU would have to concede some control of the SM but it return we get something with clout so we all benefit.

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        • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

          @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

          Rejoining the EU will be a long and tortuous trail for the UK no matter it's what people want. More iinteresting, easier and faster is to expand the EEA (countries sharing the EU single market but not members). Drop the first E so we could include Canada, Australia and anybody else who thinks this the best way to protect themselves.

          The EU would have to concede some control of the SM but it return we get something with clout so we all benefit.

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          #32

          @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen Frankly, I think the other NATO members should approach China about a defense agreement that includes putting a short leash on Putin.

          Non-US NATO members put in about 60% of the funding. China is more reasonable and less aggressive than USA right now.

          The new constellation would be more stable, could make a more reliable approach to enforcing international law, and would serve everyone better.

          Also, it would teach the USA an important lesson. Note, I am a US citizen. Somebody has to stop the crazy orange baboon.

          I think that just starting negotiations with China would wake up the USA

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          • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

            @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen Frankly, I think the other NATO members should approach China about a defense agreement that includes putting a short leash on Putin.

            Non-US NATO members put in about 60% of the funding. China is more reasonable and less aggressive than USA right now.

            The new constellation would be more stable, could make a more reliable approach to enforcing international law, and would serve everyone better.

            Also, it would teach the USA an important lesson. Note, I am a US citizen. Somebody has to stop the crazy orange baboon.

            I think that just starting negotiations with China would wake up the USA

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            #33

            @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

            I think it worth sitting it out with the USfor another three years. There are still people there who understand the benefits of allies.

            Exerting restraint on this administration has to be done subtlety and is mitigating the lunacy as so many TACOs suggest. It's messy but we have to hope that it will pass with this administration.

            No guarantees but we know China. It's lethal as a trusted partner as we found in Hong Kong. There would be no going back.

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            • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

              @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

              I think it worth sitting it out with the USfor another three years. There are still people there who understand the benefits of allies.

              Exerting restraint on this administration has to be done subtlety and is mitigating the lunacy as so many TACOs suggest. It's messy but we have to hope that it will pass with this administration.

              No guarantees but we know China. It's lethal as a trusted partner as we found in Hong Kong. There would be no going back.

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              #34

              @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen I wish that I had your level of optimism.

              This is not a one off. Remember that the Nazis based their anti-Jewish laws on the laws in the Jim Crow South. I am afraid that the USA has a rotten core.

              I am not a Pollyanna with regards to China, but I think the only way to make the USA wake up is for he rest of the World move on and leave us behind wallowing in our own filth.

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              • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen I wish that I had your level of optimism.

                This is not a one off. Remember that the Nazis based their anti-Jewish laws on the laws in the Jim Crow South. I am afraid that the USA has a rotten core.

                I am not a Pollyanna with regards to China, but I think the only way to make the USA wake up is for he rest of the World move on and leave us behind wallowing in our own filth.

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                • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

                  @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                  I think it worth sitting it out with the USfor another three years. There are still people there who understand the benefits of allies.

                  Exerting restraint on this administration has to be done subtlety and is mitigating the lunacy as so many TACOs suggest. It's messy but we have to hope that it will pass with this administration.

                  No guarantees but we know China. It's lethal as a trusted partner as we found in Hong Kong. There would be no going back.

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                  #36

                  @stuart @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                  First of all Europe MUST disentangle itself from the dependencies on the US empire. Then we can always cooperate on a case to case basis.

                  Personally I have been in favor of dissolving NATO and having our own European army from the fall of the Berlin war. I found it common sense AND important to do. But the EU is a quagmire, it's a bunch of kittens all running in different directions.

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                  • G gvenema@fairmove.net

                    @stuart @rrb @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                    First of all Europe MUST disentangle itself from the dependencies on the US empire. Then we can always cooperate on a case to case basis.

                    Personally I have been in favor of dissolving NATO and having our own European army from the fall of the Berlin war. I found it common sense AND important to do. But the EU is a quagmire, it's a bunch of kittens all running in different directions.

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                    #37

                    @gvenema @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

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                    • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                      @gvenema @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

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                      • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                        @gvenema @stuart @energisch_ @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

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