TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in.
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@jwildeboer that just means one has to buy a battery that’s 5/4 as large as one really needs
@jwildeboer SoC limit usually has to be set by the user, BMS does not do this automatically. However @mirabilos your point is invalid. The typical daily range that is driven is 20km or less. So you don't need to charge up to 100% all the time. Just as almost nobody always leaves a petrol car with 100% fuel level in the garage every day. And if you are going on a long trip, there is no harm to charge up to 100%. Just don't do it every time and leave it in that state and you'll be fine.
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@newstik @jwildeboer It must not be too large a problem. Nearly all new vehicles sold in Norway are EVs.
@JYeo18 @jwildeboer Yes because they are massively subsidized there compared to conventional vehicles. In that environment, I'd happily buy a car that is guaranteed to go up in flames after a decade. That doesn't translate to other parts of the North.
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@JYeo18 @jwildeboer Yes because they are massively subsidized there compared to conventional vehicles. In that environment, I'd happily buy a car that is guaranteed to go up in flames after a decade. That doesn't translate to other parts of the North.
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
@jwildeboer I bet that study jinxed it for everybody.
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"Quick Summary
Frequency of Fires: EVs are far less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles—20 times less according to Swedish data—despite high-profile media coverage of EV fire incidents."
https://ev-lectron.com/blogs/blog/ev-fires-vs-ice-fires-safety-comparison-and-analysis
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@jwildeboer SoC limit usually has to be set by the user, BMS does not do this automatically. However @mirabilos your point is invalid. The typical daily range that is driven is 20km or less. So you don't need to charge up to 100% all the time. Just as almost nobody always leaves a petrol car with 100% fuel level in the garage every day. And if you are going on a long trip, there is no harm to charge up to 100%. Just don't do it every time and leave it in that state and you'll be fine.
@jwildeboer @acidicX yes but the use case I’m eyeing (due to circumstances) is daily nothing, and very occasionally either 10 km or 80 km
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@jwildeboer @acidicX yes but the use case I’m eyeing (due to circumstances) is daily nothing, and very occasionally either 10 km or 80 km
@jwildeboer @acidicX and Inhad been hoping to get the option of a very small vehicle for that
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
@jwildeboer
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@jwildeboer @acidicX yes but the use case I’m eyeing (due to circumstances) is daily nothing, and very occasionally either 10 km or 80 km
@mirabilos @jwildeboer well even the most basic EV currently on sale - Dacia Spring - will handle 80km at 80% SoC without any issues
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@mirabilos @jwildeboer well even the most basic EV currently on sale - Dacia Spring - will handle 80km at 80% SoC without any issues
@jwildeboer @acidicX that’s the bare travel distance, need to figure out how to load them on both sides as well… plus margin, ofc. I was just saying that I’d need to have much more margin than planned, then.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
@jwildeboer
5-7 years is new around here. Mine was 11 when I bought it, will be 35 this year.When possible I avoid things with lithium batteries, because the battery is usually the first thing that dies.
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@jwildeboer @acidicX that’s the bare travel distance, need to figure out how to load them on both sides as well… plus margin, ofc. I was just saying that I’d need to have much more margin than planned, then.
@jwildeboer @acidicX it’ll need more planning than just the thing stands there and can be used and occasionally the bother of having to tank petroleum is needed, which was already bothersome
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@dynom 20 years is a weirdly special metric, considering that EVs have not been generally available 20 years ago and the progress has been impressive in the past 10 years. But hey, petrolheads gonna petrol, I guess
@renard@equestria.social@jwildeboer @dynom I'm no petrolhead, but you do you with the insults, sure
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@jwildeboer @dynom I'm no petrolhead, but you do you with the insults, sure
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@jwildeboer @dalias I wonder how much it varies between companies - like if traditional manufacturers are still at least trying to build to last (within the limits of designs these days), while more techbro-derived manufacturers lean harder into planned obsolescence to try to impose short upgrade cycles..
@pstewart @jwildeboer My impression is that traditional US manufacturers like Ford have fully embraced the private equity philosophy (pivot to enshittification milking the brand name until it's dry) but Honda and Toyota and the likes might (?) still be making quality stuff. In any case I'd opt for a 20-30 yo car over any of them.
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@jwildeboer @JYeo18 I never said anything like that.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
My 6 year old EV still has 100% battery SOH. It’s almost always charged from a plain wall socket and we live in a temperate climate.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
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@jwildeboer @JYeo18 I never said anything like that.
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@IronManIV @jwildeboer Unfortunately, a lot of the cost of a car is the frame and body, and techniques which have dramatically lowered the cost of entry have also dramatically increased the cost of repair. Unibody construction is simpler and cheaper (and lower-rattle, etc.) than body-on-chassis-on-frame, but if it bends in a collision, good luck straightening it out and restoring it to spec strength.
@bob_zim @jwildeboer Yes, I would agree current designs are not designed for longevity. I am very concerned about all of the gadget grade electronics. I expect the nightmare of things like the Apple Carplay compatibility nightmare to get worse. The tendency has been to load up all cars with gadgets.
