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@metacosm @cmconseils le passage sur la nationale est assez court quand on connaît les raccourcis, mais en descendant de Séchilienne y a pas d'autres solutions...

@silvermoon82 @cmconseils
Grenoble itself is really bike friendly.
25% of commuting is done by bike...

@cmconseils 🤭

@beatricejess @hanghuhn @cmconseils

Yes, the fat Sesselfurzers who think it's acceptable to have a rural bikepath change the side of the road every few hundred meters because they have never in their adult life sat on a bike trying to keep up a good pace.

@beatricejess @silvermoon82 @cmconseils

The best (French) bike path I have encountered was in Lourdes, though. When you come down from the western side of the Col du Tourmalet, the last 10 or 15 km , the bike path runs along a railway, I think, and it leads right into the town center through and along some medieval walls and through a sort of park. Only at the end, you have to cross some streets with cars. Lourdes is miraculous in its ways!

Another Lourdes miracle: You can start in Lourdes to mount the Tourmalet with your bike, and despite crossing a 2000 m mountain pass, you arrive back in the same city. I don't know any other city where you can do that.

@HarryMutt @silvermoon82 @cmconseils
Sure but it is for tourism.
In Grenoble bikeways are for everyday use.
To commute.
To go shopping.
To run errands.
And there are also tourism infrastructures, 'specially along the rivers.

@HarryMutt @hanghuhn @cmconseils well.
Fatshaming wasn't necessary I think.

@HarryMutt @silvermoon82 @cmconseils
I live in a suburbian town across the river and I have now a protected bikelane down my street that goes all the way to my work.
The same protected bikelane goes directly to my son's junior highschool.

@beatricejess @hanghuhn @cmconseils

Oh, the language police has arrived. That wasn't necessary I think.

No, it's not fatshaming. It's the ESSENCE of the term Sesselfurzer (which I used in relation to the comment about German bike lanes). And no, calling them anything other won't change that essence. If people cared more for content than form, and I mean BOTH sides, the culture wars wouldn't escalate as they do. In the end, there seem only snowflakes left who feel insulted by EVERYTHING and who make a big deal out of any miniscule thing that rubs them the wrong way. There are real issues that need to be addressed. This, here, is not one of them.

@beatricejess @silvermoon82 @cmconseils

I don't think the one I mentioned was for tourism. It was used by normal people and led along small villages and hamlets. It just connected these small places to the next city which was Lourdes. Also, I only found it by accident because it was not marked very clearly which was the only thing I would criticize. It was not officially part of a network for tourism.

But I will certainly try Grenoble's bike infrastructure next time I'm in the Alps as my favorite spot in the Alps is the Col du Galibier and the area around it, and Grenoble is usually on my way there. Always wanted to see more of it, and that's as good a reason as any other.

@HarryMutt and Sesselfurzer is just like couch potato. As I understand this term, it’s not about the body weight but about being lazy. @beatricejess @cmconseils

@hanghuhn @beatricejess @cmconseils

Hmm, while they are two very different things, just think about the term itself. It says potato. Not "french fry" (my apologies to all Belgians for using this insensitive term of cultural misappropriation).

The point clearly is that that person has the shape of a potato. Lazy and the opposite of slim. And a Sesselfurzer is similar, but in a (usually) public office, doing business without lifting his (male indeed) large backside from his chair. But I don't want to hurt the feelings of public servants, so I will better use the term "public office worker with limited motivation, blocking the conversion to sustainable energy, traffic, and transport"...

@hanghuhn @HarryMutt @cmconseils ok.
Byebye

@hanghuhn @HarryMutt @cmconseils
Oh my...
Byebye.

@beatricejess @hanghuhn @cmconseils

Oups, somebody who thinks she's in possession of absolute truth and the right to lecture others can't accept opinions differing from hers. How very surprising. Oh my, indeed.

Maybe, just maybe, after leaving the room, reflect on the possibility that CONTEXT is important and that context is never absolute.