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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    @LappenjammerDieZweite

    Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞 (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )

    What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.

    lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
    lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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    #20

    @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
    Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

    I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

    lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF 2 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

      @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
      Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

      I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

      lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
      lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #21

      @FediTips I can't remember how I came across openbiblio in 2022.

      Social.Vivaldi.Net was a recommendation from either you another source here and I was looking mainly for a temporary workaround based in Europe with a reliable infrastructure.

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      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

        Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

        In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

        TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

        If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

        #FediTips

        goteertxuria@derg.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #22

        @FediTips@social.growyourown.services bonus on joining smaller servers: You can choose one with a theme and immediately get a general timeline more in line with your interests! ​​

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        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

          Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

          In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

          TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

          If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

          #FediTips

          raymierussell@mastodon.scotR This user is from outside of this forum
          raymierussell@mastodon.scotR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #23

          @FediTips
          I think there is definitely something to be said about joining a geographical instance

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          • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
            lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #24

            @rhizomancer@mastodon.social Also you can also migrate later. I haven't done that yet but @FediTips does offer a guide on how to do it too.

            I'd recommend getting used to the Fediverse in your own time. I got used to it own special way fairly soon and up until now the instance I chose did not influence my experience as much as finding nice people to follow and interact with 🙂

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            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

              p.s. Posting this because new people on other servers were asking if they needed to open an account on mastodon.social or move to mastodon.social. Answer to both is no 🙂

              splott@retro.pizzaS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #25

              @FediTips I think that's the only whole server that I have chosen to block. Bots, advertisements, I think I even saw a phishing scam. noooo thanks.

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              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                #FediTips

                albinanigans@blackqueer.lifeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #26

                @FediTips Always Reblog!

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                • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                  @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
                  Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

                  I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

                  feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                  feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                  feditips@social.growyourown.services
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                  #27

                  @LappenjammerDieZweite

                  Damn... that's awful, I can totally understand why you chose them, I would have done the same.

                  It's very odd they didn't have backups, are they definitely not going to have anything restored after November? 😞

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                  • effariwhy@mastodon.socialE effariwhy@mastodon.social

                    @FediTips Last year, I also created accounts on mastodon.world and hachyderm.io and left them empty. It would be a good exercise to try the import/export functions and move to one of those. I've been curious to see how the move process works.

                    feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #28

                    @effariwhy

                    Sounds good 🙂

                    You can move back and forth as often as you want, so if you change your mind you can always transfer stuff back.

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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      @LappenjammerDieZweite

                      Damn... that's awful, I can totally understand why you chose them, I would have done the same.

                      It's very odd they didn't have backups, are they definitely not going to have anything restored after November? 😞

                      lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
                      lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #29

                      @FediTips Thank you 🥹

                      They have written that all data after that is irretrievable

                      (https://bibcourse.eu/t/https-openbiblio-social-down/284/51)

                      Being a massive believer in tech redundancy and secure storage of data and documentation this does rock my trust (as a non-tech person myself I rely on experts). I mean, if *libraries* lose data, what is safe in this world?

                      Of course in my case it is "only" social Media banter. Just after losing 90% of my Twitter mutuals that either stayed or chose Jack's Next Promise I feel strangely vulnarable for losing a community in a time of need. Again.

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                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                        @LappenjammerDieZweite

                        OpenBiblio.social seems to be working here when I tried it just now, is it still not working at your end?

                        About choosing a server, I've got a site for non-technical people at http://fedi.garden where all the servers have promised to be compatible with the points at https://fedi.garden/about-this-site

                        For more technical people who want a longer non-curated list, try https://fedidb.com/servers (but there are no promises made on that site).

                        project1enigma@chaos.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                        project1enigma@chaos.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #30

                        @FediTips

                        Is there a reason why moderation against for example antisemitism or ableism isn't on the list of requirements?

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                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                          Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                          In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                          TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                          If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                          #FediTips

                          veroandi@connexia.hibiol.euV This user is from outside of this forum
                          veroandi@connexia.hibiol.euV This user is from outside of this forum
                          veroandi@connexia.hibiol.eu
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                          #31

                          @FediTips

                          I think mastodon.social is "ok" for people to start using. It's like starting high school without knowing anyone or where to find your group. Gradually, you'll discover where the like-minded people are. Then you'll move closer to them.
                          Choosing an instance is not easy, at least not if you want to do it thoughtfully. The quality of the infrastructure and moderation varies, so you need to compare options - it demands effort.

                          I tell people who get worried when they see people criticising the largest instances to take their time to find their place. Keep posting and following people, and you'll gradually see new instances appear in your feed. There's no need to feel guilty; just observe and be ready to move when you find one that suits you. You can choose based on your language (especially if it's not English, it's very useful to be in an instance where people speak your language), your country or city, or a thematic instance where it'll be easier to find people who like the same things as you, such as games, technology, veganism, art, science etc. There are instances with different features; you can choose one based on trust in a specific admin. There are so many things to consider!

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                          • veroandi@connexia.hibiol.euV veroandi@connexia.hibiol.eu

                            @FediTips

                            I think mastodon.social is "ok" for people to start using. It's like starting high school without knowing anyone or where to find your group. Gradually, you'll discover where the like-minded people are. Then you'll move closer to them.
                            Choosing an instance is not easy, at least not if you want to do it thoughtfully. The quality of the infrastructure and moderation varies, so you need to compare options - it demands effort.

                            I tell people who get worried when they see people criticising the largest instances to take their time to find their place. Keep posting and following people, and you'll gradually see new instances appear in your feed. There's no need to feel guilty; just observe and be ready to move when you find one that suits you. You can choose based on your language (especially if it's not English, it's very useful to be in an instance where people speak your language), your country or city, or a thematic instance where it'll be easier to find people who like the same things as you, such as games, technology, veganism, art, science etc. There are instances with different features; you can choose one based on trust in a specific admin. There are so many things to consider!

                            feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            feditips@social.growyourown.services
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                            #32

                            @veroandi

                            Mastodon.social doesn't help new people in any way though? They would find it just as easy starting on (for example) ohai.social.

                            "Choosing an instance is not easy"

                            I've tried to make it as possible at https://fedi.garden

                            If there's any way I can make the site easier feedback very welcome 🙂

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                            • project1enigma@chaos.socialP project1enigma@chaos.social

                              @FediTips

                              Is there a reason why moderation against for example antisemitism or ableism isn't on the list of requirements?

                              feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #33

                              @project1enigma

                              I've tried to build upon the wording on JoinMastodon, as many servers were already complying with that.

                              But if any server tolerates antisemitism, ableism or other bigotry I will of course remove it from fedi.garden.

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                              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                #FediTips

                                lor@goingdark.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                                lor@goingdark.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #34

                                @FediTips

                                Agree, mstodon.social should close down sign ups if you ask me.

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                                • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @FediTips Thank you 🥹

                                  They have written that all data after that is irretrievable

                                  (https://bibcourse.eu/t/https-openbiblio-social-down/284/51)

                                  Being a massive believer in tech redundancy and secure storage of data and documentation this does rock my trust (as a non-tech person myself I rely on experts). I mean, if *libraries* lose data, what is safe in this world?

                                  Of course in my case it is "only" social Media banter. Just after losing 90% of my Twitter mutuals that either stayed or chose Jack's Next Promise I feel strangely vulnarable for losing a community in a time of need. Again.

                                  feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #35

                                  @LappenjammerDieZweite

                                  Indeed, one would expect libraries to take archiving seriously!

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                                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                    Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                    In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                    TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                    If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                    #FediTips

                                    bob@beamship.mpaq.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #36

                                    @FediTips

                                    Personaly, i recomend the lowest possible active users becuase that makes it.personal. At the same time, looking at how long its been running.

                                    Beamship just hit over 700.days then we had an unrevoerble database crash so we had to rebuild.

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                                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                      Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                      In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                      TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                      If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                      #FediTips

                                      victor_leries@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #37

                                      @FediTips is there any way to migrate accounts from one instance to the other? Because I created an account in mastodon server but I don't know if I can move my account now that is has already been created

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                                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                        Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                        In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                        TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                        If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                        #FediTips

                                        nxskok@cupoftea.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #38

                                        @FediTips I moved from mastodon.cloud to a smaller server, which has been a great choice. (I think I used one of the tips to find the new server.)

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                                        • nxskok@cupoftea.socialN nxskok@cupoftea.social

                                          @FediTips I moved from mastodon.cloud to a smaller server, which has been a great choice. (I think I used one of the tips to find the new server.)

                                          feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #39

                                          @nxskok

                                          Glad to hear it's gone well! 🙂

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