Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye According to your logic, why they would need to check it isn't a child if they already know?
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye just because they have some info there's no need to feed them more.
@mynameistillian @mhoye You're not giving them anything they don't already have. What you're doing is proving you're an adult. That's it.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye nor should we make this practice a norm
@mynameistillian @mhoye It's a norm here in the US where we provide ID for all sorts of things.
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@dalias It looks like none of that is working. ICE is rounding up anyone they want in the US. Iran is crushing protests. Syria? Egypt? China? Russia? Where has social media helped society in public discourse? It's leading to death everywhere. It's a complete failure in every way possible.
So I can't support the status quo.
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@mynameistillian @mhoye You're not giving them anything they don't already have. What you're doing is proving you're an adult. That's it.
@FlashMobOfOne @mynameistillian unfortunately that’s not true. You’re also correlating your identity directly with whatever site or action you’re using through a third party who happens to be the state.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mynameistillian unfortunately that’s not true. You’re also correlating your identity directly with whatever site or action you’re using through a third party who happens to be the state.
@mhoye @FlashMobOfOne yes. it also makes a precedent where you cannot use a service if you're not showing your data first.
also, as someone who is championing youth liberation, i don't want teens and kids to have their freedoms limited because they're minors.
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@mynameistillian @mhoye It's a norm here in the US where we provide ID for all sorts of things.
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye and who does that norm benefit?
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@FlashMobOfOne @charogg when people say that Americans are the most propagandized people on earth it’s because of conversations like this one.
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@dalias It looks like none of that is working. ICE is rounding up anyone they want in the US. Iran is crushing protests. Syria? Egypt? China? Russia? Where has social media helped society in public discourse? It's leading to death everywhere. It's a complete failure in every way possible.
So I can't support the status quo.
@txtx "It's not working so let's try more fascism!" is the brainworms of lots of voters. And it's always an utterly horrible idea.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye nor should we make this practice a norm
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye also, just because USA has willingly given up its privacy, doesn't mean the rest of the world should comply.
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@txtx "It's not working so let's try more fascism!" is the brainworms of lots of voters. And it's always an utterly horrible idea.
@dalias So calling me a brainwormed fascist, this is what you use anonymity for? Really nice. Great argument.
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
@mhoye there are other technical ways to do only and just age veification that have been so carefully avoided that at this point it's fair to say it's entirely on purpose and that the goal is "papers, please".
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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@passenger @mhoye The UK/Brexit are perfect examples of foreign dictators influencing citizens via social media disinformation campaigns, anonymous & bot accounts etc.
This is not something I want to see further replicated anywhere in the EU.
Being an 'anti-facist' on X is a contradiction. It's like hating on Mickey Mouse at Disneyland.
@txtx @passenger @mhoye This has existed since before widespread internet and social media use. Just look at the propaganda papers like The Sun and The Daily Mail have been spewing for decades.
These opinions of Brexit-eers have existed for decades in the countryside in the UK, which is the regions of the UK which voted for Brexit.
You are using strawman arguments to push your opinion/agenda..
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Honestly most of the worst people on the internet are unashamed to go by their actual names and faces.
This is obviously true on Facebook and LinkedIn, but if you ever go to fascist Telegram groups, a lot of them are full of people with real names, and profile pics of them with sunglasses and baseball caps sitting in their cars. They aren't ashamed of who they are or what they do, and they aren't afraid of consequences.
@passenger @txtx are you a monochromatic horse in real life
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@mhoye Unpopular opinion:
Identity verification isn't so unattractive in 2026 — social media is destroying democracies via anonymous armies of bot people steered by aggressive foreign actors like Putin and Musk.
The libertarian model that the Internet was built on is failing societies.
@txtx @mhoye the "veri" part is already problematic*
having these centralized authorities to establish identity is indistinguishable from having these centralized authorities dictate identity
there are better models of steering people away from abuse that do not involve creating more systems that become more chokepoints for abusers to exploit once they find their way in (as they have now, and curiously just in time for these chokepoints to be promoted)
*EDIT: and also the "fication" part
https://www.etymonline.com/word/verify
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@mhoye Unpopular opinion:
Identity verification isn't so unattractive in 2026 — social media is destroying democracies via anonymous armies of bot people steered by aggressive foreign actors like Putin and Musk.
The libertarian model that the Internet was built on is failing societies.
@txtx@mastodon.social @mhoye@cosocial.ca it's not social media, its a network of elite child rapists and their sympathizers who coordinated a plot to push back the gains that marginalized groups made via the internet, especially trans people. there's also a lot of right wing freakouts like this that didn't involve the internet, the book "when the clock broke" goes into a lot of detail on this in the context of early 90s USA, in a similar vein the nazis used radio to score a lot of their political gains.
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@txtx@mastodon.social @mhoye@cosocial.ca it's not social media, its a network of elite child rapists and their sympathizers who coordinated a plot to push back the gains that marginalized groups made via the internet, especially trans people. there's also a lot of right wing freakouts like this that didn't involve the internet, the book "when the clock broke" goes into a lot of detail on this in the context of early 90s USA, in a similar vein the nazis used radio to score a lot of their political gains.
@foxbops The Nazis were defeated by countries that generally banned nazis and nazi propaganda in their own countries.
In western democracies, today, we're opening our doors to them. We're saying, please, flood us with the firehouse of nazi garbage information. It makes no sense.
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big tech creates poison social media to trap kids and ends up killing some
instead of going after the sociopath perps, let's keep kids from the friendships and information they have been finding, and make everyone prove their identities, no matter how that might hurt them@libramoon @mhoye That sounds fine until you realize that some of the main ways that they hurt these kids is through doxxing, blackmailing, and other methods that are only made easier by de-anonymizing them. Also the fact that people - from the companies themselves to governments and hackers - are using the data in ways that are harmful to people.
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@mhoye Unpopular opinion:
Identity verification isn't so unattractive in 2026 — social media is destroying democracies via anonymous armies of bot people steered by aggressive foreign actors like Putin and Musk.
The libertarian model that the Internet was built on is failing societies.
@txtx @mhoye if those democracies were working, people wouldn't just start believing what a random person on the internet says. it didn't use to be like this and it doesn't have to now, but it's affected by the same social issues as everything else. whereas the earlier internet contributed a lot to social progress and there's no telling that things wouldn't be even worse without it. also, if an open internet was fundamentally a threat to democracy, dictatorships wouldn't be working so hard to destroy it, and it wouldn't be people opposed to democracy as a concept pushing for tighter government control.
