Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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If you're determined to proceed via electoral channels, then a good starting point might be to refuse to vote for any party which restricts antifascist organising or uses the power of the law against antifascists. France's banning of Jeune Garde, for example, is unacceptable.
You could also press for the cessation of EU policies which fascists love, for example Frontex or the support of Israel's ongoing campaign of genocide.
As ever, it is tempting to see the enemy as an external threat, but this misses the point. Vladimir Putin is not the main threat to Finland, for example. Riika Purra is the main threat to Finland, and she doesn't have to hide her face for safety.
@passenger We'll have to disagree here. Russia is allowed full access to social media in Europe, and they're responsible for the surge in right wing parties. Block Russia and you block much of the financing and backing of extreme right parties across all of Europe.
It won't solve everything but it'll be much easier to deal with the extremists left over once their financial and media support is practically extinguished.
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@mhoye No it isn't.
They already have all of your info. We know this because the FBI just inadvertently revealed it by producing video evidence publicly that wasn't supposed to exist.
They have your info and they are feeding it to your government freely and without a warrant.
ID verification is just a simple means of proving you confirmed someone isn't a child.
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye just because they have some info there's no need to feed them more.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye just because they have some info there's no need to feed them more.
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye nor should we make this practice a norm
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye According to your logic, why they would need to check it isn't a child if they already know?
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye just because they have some info there's no need to feed them more.
@mynameistillian @mhoye You're not giving them anything they don't already have. What you're doing is proving you're an adult. That's it.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye nor should we make this practice a norm
@mynameistillian @mhoye It's a norm here in the US where we provide ID for all sorts of things.
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@dalias It looks like none of that is working. ICE is rounding up anyone they want in the US. Iran is crushing protests. Syria? Egypt? China? Russia? Where has social media helped society in public discourse? It's leading to death everywhere. It's a complete failure in every way possible.
So I can't support the status quo.
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@mynameistillian @mhoye You're not giving them anything they don't already have. What you're doing is proving you're an adult. That's it.
@FlashMobOfOne @mynameistillian unfortunately that’s not true. You’re also correlating your identity directly with whatever site or action you’re using through a third party who happens to be the state.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mynameistillian unfortunately that’s not true. You’re also correlating your identity directly with whatever site or action you’re using through a third party who happens to be the state.
@mhoye @FlashMobOfOne yes. it also makes a precedent where you cannot use a service if you're not showing your data first.
also, as someone who is championing youth liberation, i don't want teens and kids to have their freedoms limited because they're minors.
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@mynameistillian @mhoye It's a norm here in the US where we provide ID for all sorts of things.
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye and who does that norm benefit?
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@FlashMobOfOne @charogg when people say that Americans are the most propagandized people on earth it’s because of conversations like this one.
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@dalias It looks like none of that is working. ICE is rounding up anyone they want in the US. Iran is crushing protests. Syria? Egypt? China? Russia? Where has social media helped society in public discourse? It's leading to death everywhere. It's a complete failure in every way possible.
So I can't support the status quo.
@txtx "It's not working so let's try more fascism!" is the brainworms of lots of voters. And it's always an utterly horrible idea.
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@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye nor should we make this practice a norm
@FlashMobOfOne @mhoye also, just because USA has willingly given up its privacy, doesn't mean the rest of the world should comply.
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@txtx "It's not working so let's try more fascism!" is the brainworms of lots of voters. And it's always an utterly horrible idea.
@dalias So calling me a brainwormed fascist, this is what you use anonymity for? Really nice. Great argument.
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
@mhoye there are other technical ways to do only and just age veification that have been so carefully avoided that at this point it's fair to say it's entirely on purpose and that the goal is "papers, please".
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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@passenger @mhoye The UK/Brexit are perfect examples of foreign dictators influencing citizens via social media disinformation campaigns, anonymous & bot accounts etc.
This is not something I want to see further replicated anywhere in the EU.
Being an 'anti-facist' on X is a contradiction. It's like hating on Mickey Mouse at Disneyland.
@txtx @passenger @mhoye This has existed since before widespread internet and social media use. Just look at the propaganda papers like The Sun and The Daily Mail have been spewing for decades.
These opinions of Brexit-eers have existed for decades in the countryside in the UK, which is the regions of the UK which voted for Brexit.
You are using strawman arguments to push your opinion/agenda..
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Honestly most of the worst people on the internet are unashamed to go by their actual names and faces.
This is obviously true on Facebook and LinkedIn, but if you ever go to fascist Telegram groups, a lot of them are full of people with real names, and profile pics of them with sunglasses and baseball caps sitting in their cars. They aren't ashamed of who they are or what they do, and they aren't afraid of consequences.
@passenger @txtx are you a monochromatic horse in real life
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@mhoye Unpopular opinion:
Identity verification isn't so unattractive in 2026 — social media is destroying democracies via anonymous armies of bot people steered by aggressive foreign actors like Putin and Musk.
The libertarian model that the Internet was built on is failing societies.
@txtx @mhoye the "veri" part is already problematic*
having these centralized authorities to establish identity is indistinguishable from having these centralized authorities dictate identity
there are better models of steering people away from abuse that do not involve creating more systems that become more chokepoints for abusers to exploit once they find their way in (as they have now, and curiously just in time for these chokepoints to be promoted)
*EDIT: and also the "fication" part
https://www.etymonline.com/word/verify
> from Medieval Latin verificare "make true,"
