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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."

    Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.

    I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).

    The safest bet is to mute (that info is private) 😫

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    #48

    @_elena I am staying here. No Stasi, no Nazis, no AfD, no ICE, no DHS, no CDU, no CCP….problem solved.

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    • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

      @nazokiyoubinbou Just a note for the Fediverse = paradise adepts: I'm regularly blocking and if possible reporting Maga propaganda even on Mastodon. You can get evil people *everywhere*.
      The question is how much you can protect yourself or if such attempts are defederated or suspended.
      Here, the Fediverse is better because human moderators. But most people don't know that difference. And would Mastodon be prepared if the ICE opens an account?

      @u_urban @_elena

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      #49

      @NatureMC @nazokiyoubinbou @_elena

      It would be blocked by most instances, mine for shure, I had the freedom to choose!

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      • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

        @vladcampos This. And a lot of independent media/journalists, scientists, climate scientists especially, NGOs. Doing Social Media professionally, I am obliged to have an account there for reading their news.
        Many left Mastodon after a test phase reporting they had bad experiences with people telling them on the very first day how they have to behave or write their posts.
        I like the Fediverse like you, it's my centre. But for reaching masses (important for activists), it's too niche.

        @_elena

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        #50

        @NatureMC @_elena That “telling how to behave" is so true. It happened to me the very first time I tried Mastodon. All I did was post a picture of myself to illustrate something I wanted to mention about a run, and I was told it should be set as “content warning". It was a very basic picture, but because it was a selfie, I "should set it as content warning." Why? It was a very unwelcoming experience.

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."

          Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.

          I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).

          The safest bet is to mute (that info is private) 😫

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          #51

          @_elena "I will just block it" doesn't solve the problem of the social media platform you enrich by posting on approving of a local gestapo

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          • u_urban@social.tchncs.deU u_urban@social.tchncs.de

            @NatureMC @nazokiyoubinbou @_elena

            It would be blocked by most instances, mine for shure, I had the freedom to choose!

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            #52

            @u_urban Great to hear. And then it would be easy to move to such an instance to be free of them.
            BTW, the moderators here do a hard and great job, especially when we have a wave of propaganda-fake-accounts. You can nearly watch real time how these fakes at last hide on tiny unmoderated instances before they are gone.
            People outside often don't know that our moderation is still hand-made.

            @nazokiyoubinbou @_elena

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            • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

              @NatureMC @_elena That “telling how to behave" is so true. It happened to me the very first time I tried Mastodon. All I did was post a picture of myself to illustrate something I wanted to mention about a run, and I was told it should be set as “content warning". It was a very basic picture, but because it was a selfie, I "should set it as content warning." Why? It was a very unwelcoming experience.

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              #53

              @vladcampos You're not alone! At the moment, a newcomer is lost in technics, some hardliners play police instead of saying welcome, let them land, and just say: if you need help or want to understand why ... just ask me.

              @_elena

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              • aoeberlin@social.vivaldi.netA aoeberlin@social.vivaldi.net

                @_elena @hyperreal How to block the bridge? Thanks!

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                #54

                @aoeBerlin @_elena @hyperreal

                https://sfba.social/@drahardja/115908542368696091

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                • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                  @stux BTW, blocking on Mastodon is also visible. And worse: blocked people can often still read all your public postings. We also have room for improvement when it comes to safety!

                  @_elena

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                  #55

                  @NatureMC @_elena Well yeah but that’s if you have a public profile 😉

                  There is no way around that, without an account anyone can view those from the public pages. That’s why we have followers-only for example

                  But the block lists are not public on Mastodon and on Bsky they are

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                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                    @NatureMC @_elena Well yeah but that’s if you have a public profile 😉

                    There is no way around that, without an account anyone can view those from the public pages. That’s why we have followers-only for example

                    But the block lists are not public on Mastodon and on Bsky they are

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                    #56

                    @stux People who work with social media, are obliged to have a public profile.

                    If you block s'o on Bsky, after some seconds, each part can't see anything more from the other account. Not a single post.

                    Block lists: yes.

                    @_elena

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                    • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                      @stux People who work with social media, are obliged to have a public profile.

                      If you block s'o on Bsky, after some seconds, each part can't see anything more from the other account. Not a single post.

                      Block lists: yes.

                      @_elena

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                      #57

                      @NatureMC @_elena But if you logout, you can still view the profile and posts right?

                      It wouldn’t make sense otherwise

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        @hyperreal thanks. I actually blocked the bridge months ago, so feel free to share a screenshot if it works better

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                        #58

                        @_elena @hyperreal

                        I closed my account there quite a while back but only de-bridged today. I'm sad to no longer see posts from certain people I followed but overall I feel a whole lot better. 👍

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."

                          Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.

                          I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).

                          The safest bet is to mute (that info is private) 😫

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                          #59

                          @_elena

                          strongly disagree;

                          "The safest bet" is to leave bluesky and create a fedi instance with the software of your choice.

                          wink smiley.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            I'm well aware that posting this info on the Fediverse seems like a pointless exercise, but it's to raise awareness and spread the word to people active in BOTH places.

                            I was never really active on #Bluesky and entirely stopped using it months ago but there's no point in posting this info there because I have zero reach. Or rather: 1100+ followers and 1-2 likes (at best!) and zero comments for any post. It's like I'm shadow-banned.

                            If you use it and enjoy it no judgement but please be safe!

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                            #60

                            @_elena

                            The very same applies to the Fediverse, by the way: When blocking someone, that information is relayed to the instance where the blocked account is hosted. While this is not typically publicly visible, malicious instances know who blocked some of their members and can of course use that information.

                            (We internally used the amount of blocks as a hint to which local account to investigate, but it‘s at present not worth the hassle.)

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                            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                              @NatureMC @_elena But if you logout, you can still view the profile and posts right?

                              It wouldn’t make sense otherwise

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                              #61

                              @stux I just tested it. Yes, you are right: I have to search for a blocked account on Bsky and then I can read it. They don't have this login-wall like other platforms.
                              Thanks, I learnt something new!

                              @_elena

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                              • bastardsheep@aus.socialB bastardsheep@aus.social

                                @_elena I will never understand this decision. I’ve seen people say it’s just due to how ATProtocol works. But surely there’s a way they could have implemented blocks and have them private.

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                                #62

                                @bastardsheep It’s always felt like a path to bullying people. Either by giving grief to people for who is in their block list or creating awfully named lists and putting people in it. In the past I’ve seen list names that feel like it’s named in such a way they hope the people in the list see it.

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                                • fds@mastodon.socialF fds@mastodon.social

                                  @bastardsheep It’s always felt like a path to bullying people. Either by giving grief to people for who is in their block list or creating awfully named lists and putting people in it. In the past I’ve seen list names that feel like it’s named in such a way they hope the people in the list see it.

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                                  #63

                                  @bastardsheep As far as I know I’m not on a list so who knows maybe when you’re added you’re notified. I would not know.

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                                  • sl007@digitalcourage.socialS sl007@digitalcourage.social

                                    @_elena

                                    strongly disagree;

                                    "The safest bet" is to leave bluesky and create a fedi instance with the software of your choice.

                                    wink smiley.

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                                    #64

                                    @sl007 I fundamentally agree with you and that’s why I stopped using Bluesky. But I’m trying not to be too divisive and not to alienate people who enjoy it. Otherwise they will dismiss everything I ever say about Bluesky, warnings and whatnot 😢

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                                    • fds@mastodon.socialF fds@mastodon.social

                                      @bastardsheep As far as I know I’m not on a list so who knows maybe when you’re added you’re notified. I would not know.

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                                      #65

                                      @fds I’ve seen a lot of block shaming too. It’s such a bad decision.

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                                      • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                                        @stux I just tested it. Yes, you are right: I have to search for a blocked account on Bsky and then I can read it. They don't have this login-wall like other platforms.
                                        Thanks, I learnt something new!

                                        @_elena

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                                        #66

                                        @NatureMC @_elena Yup! And with Mastodon and other Fedi software (most) you could ‘hide’ it behind a auth check

                                        Not sure why they do it that way though

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."

                                          Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.

                                          I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).

                                          The safest bet is to mute (that info is private) 😫

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                                          #67

                                          @_elena Really sorry and disappointed that so many still stay on that shitty platform. I actively refuse to boost anything from bluesky. Jack Dorsey's a shitbag Nazi fellater just like Musk Zuck all of them.

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