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What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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  • vincep@piaille.frV vincep@piaille.fr

    @hiisikoloart @bloor people who use music to listen to their audio equipment, instead of the other way around.

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    #148

    @vincep @bloor
    Sounds like magic to me. (^_^)*

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    • fast9881@mastodon.unoF fast9881@mastodon.uno

      @Jes @bloor
      This revew of audiophile rocks is hilarious. Sadly the website and youtube channel are now closed

      http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/26/01/2018/audiophile-rocks-down-the-rabbit-hole-once-again/

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      #149
      @fast9881 @bloor that's a shame I loved his videos
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      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

        @hiisikoloart @bloor

        In theory, it’s people who care a lot about audio quality. They often claim to have better than average frequency range in their ears (many do, but a lot claim to hear things only bats can actually hear).

        For a long time, a lot of consumer audio equipment was pretty terrible, so there were real reasons for wanting something better, I remember listening to a CD that I’d heard many times on my CD player and ripped to my iPad and discovering that CD player from the ‘80s had completely lost a load of low-volume bits and there was material that would probably have been audible on an expensive player in the ‘80s and was easily audible on a cheap player in the early 2000s.

        At the same time, the Loudness War happened. Music execs found that people were more likely to like music if it was loud the first time they heard it. So they started making CDs louder. But CDs have a fixed dynamic range, so making it loader lost detail. They couldn’t do this with records because the needle would jump out of the track, so we had a weird period where LPs had better audio fidelity than CDs. Unfortunately, LPs are really finicky and it’s very easy to scratch them if you don’t perfectly balance the stylus to avoid more than minuscule pressure on the surface.

        So, to listen to the highest-quality music, you needed a moderately expensive record deck, a decent amplifier (and pre-amp: again, LPs are annoying to play), and speakers. And it was fairly noticeable if you got any of these wrong.

        But then DACs got a lot better. Cheap USB audio adaptors for computers had much better precision than anything available in the ‘80s, and could be placed outside of the case and away from RF interference from the computer. AAC audio supports a variable dynamic range (so bumping the loudness is just a scaling factor, not a loss of precision). Baseline speaker and amplifier quality improved a lot. By the mid 2000s, fairly cheap equipment gave better sound quality than anything you could buy in the ‘90s.

        By then, an entire industry had grown up to cater to people who wanted the best sound quality possible and an even larger group of people who wanted to be seen as having the best sound quality. It moved from music appreciation to conspicuous consumption as a primary market driver. And that made it a ripe target for scams.

        For analogue things, there were obvious things you could sell, like cables with gold-plated connectors. Gold is a good conductor and, unlike copper, doesn’t corrode, so this would make a difference (whether the difference is audible is another matter). But the move to mostly digital paths made this harder. You got very silly things like ‘audiophile grade’ Ethernet cables and optical connectors, which ignored the fact that the digital protocols had built-in error correction and that audio is staggeringly low bandwidth in comparison to other things carried over these connections so there’s space for a lot of error correction. A load of these things can be run over a wire coathanger with no loss in quality.

        The entire ecosystem became dominated by very silly things. But they’re all quite interesting because they have some plausible-looking science behind them, which then goes off in a nonsense direction. For example, Ethernet is an electrical protocol, so signal quality matters. Gold is a good conductor. Gold connectors on Ethernet cables will reduce signal degradation. Pay no attention to the fact that the Ethernet standard is specified based on specifically rated cables and won’t be any better on ones with marginally better connectors.

        My guess from the picture is that someone has noticed that electrical noise from a power supply can be a problem and has built something that looks very plausibly like it would solve that.

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        #150

        @david_chisnall @bloor
        That was a lot of interesting words. 🙂
        Thank you for trying to explain this to me.

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        • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

          What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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          #151

          @bloor cat toy

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          • peterlg@theblower.auP peterlg@theblower.au

            @bloor

            Here's the rest of that setup. Those are *mains power* cables — no bloody way that's legal.

            The Reddit thread is fun, too.
            https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/1nzo3rw/for_true_separation_of_instruments/

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            #152

            @PeterLG @bloor Can you think of a better way to spread mains hum?

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            • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

              What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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              #153

              @bloor
              A wee bit like squirrel cage HF antennae - measured for a particular frequency but the multiple conductors gave very wide bandwidth. But that only works at radio frequencies....
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_aerial

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              • tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk

                @ben @dazo @bloor Like this for example.. looks suspiciously like someone rebranded a £10 netgear switch..

                https://www.audioaffair.co.uk/english-electric-8switch-audio-grade-ethernet-switch

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                #154

                @tony @ben @dazo @bloor

                Early days with this product but first impressions are very positive. The sound is now “calmer” you get the impression the performers have more time and space. The entire frequency range is sharper but without being brittle. There’s just a rightness with the music, I am drawn in to the music, more engaged and that is what the listener is always striving for. I think the English Electric 8Switch is a keeper!

                What are those people smoking?
                Can I have some?

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                • wendinoakland@beige.partyW wendinoakland@beige.party

                  @bloor Wut kinda crazy assed spider sht is this?

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                  #155

                  @wendinoakland This is already a meme. https://mastodon.social/@rotopenguin/115981213384396107 @bloor

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                  • jacobrealo@tenforward.socialJ jacobrealo@tenforward.social

                    @wendinoakland This is already a meme. https://mastodon.social/@rotopenguin/115981213384396107 @bloor

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                    #156

                    @jacobrealo @bloor woah 😹

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                    • jbqueru@floss.socialJ jbqueru@floss.social

                      @david_chisnall @hiisikoloart @bloor In photography, we have measurbators.

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                      #157

                      @jbqueru@floss.social @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange @hiisikoloart@writing.exchange @bloor@bloor.tw If you want a example of quirky hardware aimed at audiophiles, this is one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-QxLAxwxkM

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                      • drayventhal@mk.absturztau.beD drayventhal@mk.absturztau.be

                        @jbqueru@floss.social @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange @hiisikoloart@writing.exchange @bloor@bloor.tw If you want a example of quirky hardware aimed at audiophiles, this is one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-QxLAxwxkM

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                        #158

                        @Drayventhal @bloor @hiisikoloart @david_chisnall wow, we were already making fun of those people 30+ years ago.

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                        • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                          What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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                          #159

                          @bloor
                          There is nothing you cannot sell to audiophiles

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                          • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                            What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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                            #160

                            @bloor they are digital cables ;3

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                              #161

                              @rotopenguin Ahhh webs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HipedgM3I @bloor

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                              • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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                                #162

                                @bloor I don’t care what people say, I can _hear_ the difference when I use these $20000 custom audio cables.

                                Worth every penny.

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                                • drayventhal@mk.absturztau.beD drayventhal@mk.absturztau.be

                                  @jbqueru@floss.social @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange @hiisikoloart@writing.exchange @bloor@bloor.tw If you want a example of quirky hardware aimed at audiophiles, this is one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-QxLAxwxkM

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                                  #163

                                  @Drayventhal @bloor @david_chisnall @jbqueru
                                  That is pretty interesting, thank you. 🙂
                                  It seems I stumble upon strange tech lore every day here. 😛 (I am about 0% tech-y myself so this is practically alchemy to me)

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                                  • grendel84@tiny.tilde.websiteG grendel84@tiny.tilde.website

                                    @Crystal_Fish_Caves
                                    oh I'm not saying what they did is actually effective 😂

                                    It's just the only possible explination I can come up with!
                                    @bloor

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                                    #164

                                    @grendel84 @bloor I would love a few feet of it for cat toys

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                                    • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                      What the, and I cannot overstate this, fuck?

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                                      #165

                                      @bloor it reminds me of fungi

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                                      • penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP penguin42@mastodon.org.uk

                                        @PeterLG @bloor Can you think of a better way to spread mains hum?

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                                        #166

                                        @penguin42

                                        Nope. Not without a signal injector attached to the audio inputs.

                                        @bloor

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                                        • landsil@infosec.exchangeL landsil@infosec.exchange

                                          @tony @ben @dazo @bloor

                                          Early days with this product but first impressions are very positive. The sound is now “calmer” you get the impression the performers have more time and space. The entire frequency range is sharper but without being brittle. There’s just a rightness with the music, I am drawn in to the music, more engaged and that is what the listener is always striving for. I think the English Electric 8Switch is a keeper!

                                          What are those people smoking?
                                          Can I have some?

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                                          @Landsil @tony @ben @bloor

                                          The more you pay, the more you need to convince others it's better ... Otherwise you admit to being fooled and tricked to give away lots if money for no valid reasons ... Basically to not look like an idiot ... except ........😉

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