Unser Strom wird seit Jahren immer sauberer und billiger
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@Dillerjohann
Ah moment, jetzt versteh ich.
Ja klar, der Preis könnte noch niedriger sein ohne Merrit-Order.Eben das Problem liegt an der staatlich organisierten Höchstpreispolitik!
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Unser Strom wird seit Jahren immer sauberer und billiger.
Quelle: https://strom-report.com/@rahmstorf Im Vergleich zu 2000 ist der Strompreis jetzt lediglich doppelt so teuer!
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How clean is the “green” stuff? The open pit mines of bauxite, or the mines for copper, or rare earths?
The 99.99% toxic lethal millennial long waste produced that is obliterating the entire ecosystems? The stuff that kills entire ecosystems.
Renewables and AI are killing the land. Tech is killing the planet in an orgy of Javons paradox.
They are killing the land; they are the climate.
You do realise that the mining necessary for renewable energy production is several orders of magnitude less than the mining necessary for extracting and using fossil fuels?
No one here pretends that renewable energies have no environmental impact, that's a straw man.
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You do realise that the mining necessary for renewable energy production is several orders of magnitude less than the mining necessary for extracting and using fossil fuels?
No one here pretends that renewable energies have no environmental impact, that's a straw man.
I think you need to reevaluate your thinking. That phone you holding your hands carries with it 90 kg of toxic lethal waste that will remain in the environment for millennia.
If you think that the alternative is to continue to use fossil fuels, you would be wrong.
Everybody in the developed world thinks all the toxic waste is somewhere else. It’s not it’s in everything now and killing everything.
We either stop with the energy use and big tech or we die
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I think you need to reevaluate your thinking. That phone you holding your hands carries with it 90 kg of toxic lethal waste that will remain in the environment for millennia.
If you think that the alternative is to continue to use fossil fuels, you would be wrong.
Everybody in the developed world thinks all the toxic waste is somewhere else. It’s not it’s in everything now and killing everything.
We either stop with the energy use and big tech or we die
You're talking to the straw man again.
Yes, a huge shift is necessary, but by posting how bad wind and PV are online (how's that 90kg of toxic waste feeling in your hands?) you're doing nothing to move the needle in the right direction.
Some things shouldn't be done (like the widespread use of LLMs, or our throwaway society) and the best way to minimise that environmental impact is to stop doing them, yes.
But there's lots of things we can't stop doing easily, fast, or at all (e.g. heating, cooling, agriculture, transport).
A good way there to reduce impact is to switch power usage to electricity and simultaneously improve our power generation abilities.
As an example:
BEV busses, trams and trains need less than a third of the total energy of cars or even diesel busses *and* the energy used is orders of magnitude cleaner. Especially in a future where production of these vehicles and their infrastructure is also powered by electricity. -
You're talking to the straw man again.
Yes, a huge shift is necessary, but by posting how bad wind and PV are online (how's that 90kg of toxic waste feeling in your hands?) you're doing nothing to move the needle in the right direction.
Some things shouldn't be done (like the widespread use of LLMs, or our throwaway society) and the best way to minimise that environmental impact is to stop doing them, yes.
But there's lots of things we can't stop doing easily, fast, or at all (e.g. heating, cooling, agriculture, transport).
A good way there to reduce impact is to switch power usage to electricity and simultaneously improve our power generation abilities.
As an example:
BEV busses, trams and trains need less than a third of the total energy of cars or even diesel busses *and* the energy used is orders of magnitude cleaner. Especially in a future where production of these vehicles and their infrastructure is also powered by electricity.Facts: energy use is exploding. Environmental degradation is exploding.
Renewables pour globally lethally toxic compounds into our world. There is no clean green energy involving high-tech.
Mining the copper and aluminum necessary for all this alone will probably kill the freaking planet.
The only thing that matters is providing all the necessities of life from your immediate region. This is a constraint that observes planetary boundaries..
Everything else is baloney.
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You're talking to the straw man again.
Yes, a huge shift is necessary, but by posting how bad wind and PV are online (how's that 90kg of toxic waste feeling in your hands?) you're doing nothing to move the needle in the right direction.
Some things shouldn't be done (like the widespread use of LLMs, or our throwaway society) and the best way to minimise that environmental impact is to stop doing them, yes.
But there's lots of things we can't stop doing easily, fast, or at all (e.g. heating, cooling, agriculture, transport).
A good way there to reduce impact is to switch power usage to electricity and simultaneously improve our power generation abilities.
As an example:
BEV busses, trams and trains need less than a third of the total energy of cars or even diesel busses *and* the energy used is orders of magnitude cleaner. Especially in a future where production of these vehicles and their infrastructure is also powered by electricity.What I am saying is that “green” energy isn’t. Especially at the scale of the modern global economy.
Renewables are an excuse to simply expand energy use because it’s “green“
The thing that needs to happen is a dramatic/in resource use in, especially in energy generation.
And I argue that renewables, again noticed that energy use is exploding, our green washing the destruction of the planet, which continues at an accelerating rate
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@rahmstorf Im Vergleich zu 2000 ist der Strompreis jetzt lediglich doppelt so teuer!
@medicineman9 @rahmstorf reale Inflation in dem Zeitraum (~2%/y): 14c/kWh 2000 zu 23c/kWh 2026
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@rahmstorf Im Vergleich zu 2000 ist der Strompreis jetzt lediglich doppelt so teuer!
@rahmstorf Dank Rahmstorf sieht es nun inflationsbereinigt offenbar etwas anders aus, demnach sei der Strompreis um lediglich 50% gestiegen.
Überraschend, dass es so "wenig" ist, wenn ich an den Zappelstrom denke... -
@medicineman9 @rahmstorf reale Inflation in dem Zeitraum (~2%/y): 14c/kWh 2000 zu 23c/kWh 2026
️@SBartsch @rahmstorf Danke, habs in meiner Antwort an SBartsch aktualisiert!
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Unser Strom wird seit Jahren immer sauberer und billiger.
Quelle: https://strom-report.com/@rahmstorf Boah da bin ich mit 30 Ct pro kWh unterm Durchschnitt als Bestandskundin. Ich beziehe Strom von ner Energiegenossenschaft die nur Wind und Solarstrom anbietet.
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