TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in.

@jwildeboer it's impossible for lithium ion cells to last longer than 10 years under discharge and recharging until they're nonfunctional. The only option is to ditch lithium ion and create a better cell or go to hydrogen. Hydrogen is a much better alternative just because any gasser can be converted to run off hydrogen. No more mining for finite resources just water and baking soda electrified to separate oxygen from hydrogen and you'll still get the glorious sound of a gas engine.

@Nerdfest @renard @jwildeboer I'm hoping this is true. Although I live where roads are salted 4+months out of the year, so my car frame might not last as long as my first battery. But I might consider paying to replace it by 2030 to get one that has a longer range. (220 miles in summer, Subaru Solterra, 2023)
We still have to use my son's ICE vehicle (my old car) for road trips over 2 hours driving distance.

@Nerdfest @renard @jwildeboer There is no repairing ICE… Oh, you mean Internal Combustion Engine.

@jwildeboer too bad no right to repair and not a single electronic item lasts longer than a mechanical one. This isn’t exclusive to only EV but ICE vehicles with stupid electronic parking brakes etc

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So many (good) things about solar and battery technology seem like stealth protagonist heros in the sci fi novel we're in.

@Nerdfest

And vehicle lifetime including used market through dismantling, the worst aspect of EVs will ne same as all vehicles, the smonnt pf plastic on construction.

How much petroleum will an EV use in 20 years? A dozen liters of lubricants and maybe fluids in transmissions?

I owned a 1968 small american car with 215,000 miles, nearly all by rhe original owner (not me) who religiously changed the engine oil every 2000 (two). At 5 quarts each time that's 200 changes, 1000 liters in lubricants never mind fuel. Otherwise ot was a marvel of preventative maintenance and old world quality. And that's as good as they get.

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@jwildeboer That's great and its an additional reason why if I'll ever need a daily driver its likely going to be electric (at the moment I'd rather take the train as much as I can and buy a fun IC car for that single time each week I need to take a car to go somewhere).

I only hope that when the time comes batteries are going to be easier and cheaper to source. While batteries already lasts more than the expected car lifetime I'm pretty sure that with the reduced wear and tear EV components endure you can easily extend that lifetime. On the other hand I heard EV owners complaining about makers who refuses to sell new batteries (forcing them to source from used batteries from the junkyard) or who sells these at price high enough to make the replacement not worth the cost (despite the rest of the car is in pristine condition).

@shtrom @jwildeboer @chrisp I also worry about the on board software, but if I bought a car, there is no way it would be ICE. Last time I looked at offers, they even weren‘t that much cheaper. And I‘d be curious to see how the care manufacturer handles GDPR based requests. We always have the right to demand deletion and also stop of collection of data. Wondering if they have implemented that case.

@jwildeboer I use home assistant to manage my EV not the manufactures app. Not perfect but a step closer and limits data leakage.

@jwildeboer Buying a used EV is a smart move and usually way cheaper than buying new. Just make sure to request (or get) a certified battery health check. It’s inexpensive, very reliable, and can save you from burning money on a bad pack.