This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK -
This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl No it isn't, and I really don't think Americans need unnecessarily inflammatory posts like this.
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@randahl No it isn't, and I really don't think Americans need unnecessarily inflammatory posts like this.
@dcdeejay there is nothing "inflammatory" about pointing out the fact that resorting to violence is the wrong path that plays directly into the hands of the regime.
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@randahl if there´s no other option...
@carbon_compound but there is. The midterms are just 10 months away. Picking up arms now is saying no to democracy up front.
This is not the way.
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl the Black Panthers showing up places armed was one of the only ways the US ever implemented any kind of gun control. Yea, this is a dangerous situation and exactly what Trump wanted. But these folks aren’t the ones doing wrong. It’s the US government.
These guys are walking the anti-tyranny walk that the 2nd amendment clowns always talked big about, but then those assholes ended up on the side of tyranny. These guys are the brave ones.
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@carbon_compound but there is. The midterms are just 10 months away. Picking up arms now is saying no to democracy up front.
This is not the way.
@randahl as if there is left democracy at all over there.
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@dcdeejay there is nothing "inflammatory" about pointing out the fact that resorting to violence is the wrong path that plays directly into the hands of the regime.
@randahl I think you could have made that very important point without that first sentence and that particular video clip.
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@randahl the Black Panthers showing up places armed was one of the only ways the US ever implemented any kind of gun control. Yea, this is a dangerous situation and exactly what Trump wanted. But these folks aren’t the ones doing wrong. It’s the US government.
These guys are walking the anti-tyranny walk that the 2nd amendment clowns always talked big about, but then those assholes ended up on the side of tyranny. These guys are the brave ones.
@helava I understand why people would love what he says.
But strategically this works against democracy.
This is all feeling, zero thought.
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl It's worth asking what will be the appropriate mode of resistance if (as seems not entirely unlikely at this point) the Trump/Miller junta spike elections in 2026 or 2028. (Not only in terms of action, but also, and more so, in terms of organization. The latter seems the most important outcome of resistance efforts in Los Angeles, Chicago, and now Minneapolis. Citizens worthy of the name are on a learning curve.)
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
WTF @ChrisHolladay? Could someone talk these guys down before they flush democracy down the drain?
(Video above)
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@randahl I think you could have made that very important point without that first sentence and that particular video clip.
@randahl Whether it was intended or not - I assume not or else I wouldn't be a long time follower of yours - trust me when I suggest that "the civil war will start because the black guys have guns" might not sit well with a lot of people, and more importantly, isn't necessary to make your valid point.
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@randahl I think you could have made that very important point without that first sentence and that particular video clip.
@dcdeejay I respect your concern. But this video is all over Musk's disinformation platform, and trying to put the genie back in the bottle will not work.
It is crucial that we talk about this. And that video shows exactly what we need to address.
But let me try to improve the post so my point is clearer.
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl The two unanalysed assumptions in your post are (1) that civil war is avoidable at this point given that the regime has already started one by kidnapping and murdering innocent citizens, and (2) that the regime has not already ended democracy.
Both of these assumptions are palpably false, however much trouble liberals may have accepting reality. Any one of the resisters the Black Panthers are protecting here could be next on the ICE hit list. They've begun brutalising children.
Kids.
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@randahl Whether it was intended or not - I assume not or else I wouldn't be a long time follower of yours - trust me when I suggest that "the civil war will start because the black guys have guns" might not sit well with a lot of people, and more importantly, isn't necessary to make your valid point.
@dcdeejay please hold your horses.
This has NOTHING to do with this guy's beautiful skin color. I do not care if you are black, white, or even purple in your face. But if you start going around telling people they can defeat the guy who controls the world's most dangerous military, by bringing shotguns and rifles to protests, I will argue against that ANY day.
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@randahl as if there is left democracy at all over there.
It'd be nice if we had confidence in the midterms.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jesscraven101/video/7598242368269077815
But when all laws are tossed in the garbage in the meantime, who's going to be left to vote? Who's going to be brave enough to go to the polls while being threatened with getting gunned down. The enemy within is our own government and they are killing us...with guns, with lack of healthcare, not being able to buy food...
I can't advocate the violence, but just sitting here getting our asses kicked, and killed, is just as stupid.
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WTF @ChrisHolladay? Could someone talk these guys down before they flush democracy down the drain?
(Video above)
@randahl
I live in a fked up red district. the guys with guns wear trump hats and fk pre teens... wrong guys here....... but it's gonna be those assholes in the Army that start shit.... little skinhead fker's wet dream to shoot hispanics and blacks -
@dcdeejay please hold your horses.
This has NOTHING to do with this guy's beautiful skin color. I do not care if you are black, white, or even purple in your face. But if you start going around telling people they can defeat the guy who controls the world's most dangerous military, by bringing shotguns and rifles to protests, I will argue against that ANY day.
@randahl Another good point. And I am not suggesting your post was racist - I am suggesting the original post unnecessarily pours salt in long open wounds along violent and racial lines, in a country that is struggling to hold itself together and regain its footing. Others may not feel that way, but I suspect I'm not alone.
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This is how The American Civil War 2.0 begins.
While it is expected that people would react this way, sadly this is EXACTLY what Stephen Miller and Trump wants. All the regime is waiting for is for the first ICE officer to be gunned down by guys like these, so they can invoke the insurrection act, send in the tanks, and end democracy.
This is NOT the way.
Defeat Trump decisively in the midterms and throw him in jail. That has a real chance of working — zero violence involved.
@randahl
You are wrong on this one, Randahl. I understand your point but you are wrong. -
@randahl The two unanalysed assumptions in your post are (1) that civil war is avoidable at this point given that the regime has already started one by kidnapping and murdering innocent citizens, and (2) that the regime has not already ended democracy.
Both of these assumptions are palpably false, however much trouble liberals may have accepting reality. Any one of the resisters the Black Panthers are protecting here could be next on the ICE hit list. They've begun brutalising children.
Kids.
@ApostateEnglishman I am furious with what the regime is doing — the people they are hurting; the killing of Renee Good.
But this does not change the fact, that if the American people picks up weapons against the regime now, everything goes sideways. Every court case, every protest, every collection of evidence — everything is replaced with violence, and thousands will die.
This is handing the regime the justification it needs to send in the tanks.
This is not the way.
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@randahl
You are wrong on this one, Randahl. I understand your point but you are wrong.@virtuous_sloth here are the two options:
A: Wait it out, let 10 months pass, defeat Trump decisively in the midterms, and only if Trump does not respect the result, pick up arms. Few people die in 2026.
B: Pick up arms, give Trump an excuse for sending in the tanks. Thousands die in 2026.
Please elaborate why I am wrong when claiming that A is better than B.
