The United States: Our president cannot be held accountable for his crimes in a US court of law.

taatm@mathstodon.xyz

@randahl
He wasn’t President, he lost, he just kept the title. Much like Putin. Venezuela was a mafia state under him.

Trump being a dick is entirely separate, but don’t credit Maduro. If Trump did that to Putin I would applaud.

Why and how Trump did it is a grave concern, but Venezuela isn’t Greenland.

karelbrits@mastodon.social

@taatm Maduro isn't a saint, but a country still has sovereignty. If you want to bring an international leader in front of the court, there is the ICC and ICJ in the Hague in the Netherlands, which the USA doesn't want to recognize (because they know damn well their leaders could easily end up there as well). @randahl

mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

@taatm @randahl

Does Trump know Venezuela isn't Greenland? His primary reason to invade Venezuela has been that he wants their resources, which is the exact same reason he wants Greenland.

It's true that Venezuela is a mafia state under Maduro, but the US is also a mafia state under Trump. A mafia in control of the world's most powerful military.

paul_stilgar@mastodon.social

@randahl
And the indictment is laughable.

narco-terrorism conspiracy, cocaine importation conspiracy, possession of machine-guns and destructive devices, and conspiracy to possess machine-guns and destructive devices.

Oh and half of their document is about Colombia and Mexico. They should take note

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl

#venezuela #usa #mexico #colombia #canada #greenland #eu #europe

fragarach@social.vivaldi.net

@randahl

Which is grotesquely unfair. Only Australians should be allowed to have kangaroo courts.

bufalo1973@tuiter.rocks

@taatm @randahl would you think the same if China did the same with Taiwan's president?

basic_bench@mstdn.social

@randahl I have an idea.

jmrr@twit.social

@randahl "The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations." (David Friedman)

taatm@mathstodon.xyz

@bufalo1973 @randahl
No. Taiwan has a President. Not someone claiming to be president.

These are very different.

ikuturso@mastodon.social

@taatm @bufalo1973 @randahl analogy isn't perfect since China doesn't view Taiwan as an actual sovereign state that could even have a president to begin with but I guess for you to go and abduct a foreign nation's president like in the Maduro case you have to also not respect its sovereignty so not that different in the end.

snowpaint@mastodon.social

@randahl Yeah like c’mon hasn’t anybody ever heard of The Hague

rockiger@mastodon.social

@taatm @bufalo1973 @randahl That is a very slippery slope.

welcometoeurope@mastodon.social

@taatm @randahl apparently America can do whatever it wants as long as you say “drugs” “mafia” “smuggling”. Isn’t Russia run like the mafia???? Why haven’t we kidnapped Putin?

mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

@Paul_stilgar @randahl

Wait, they're going to sue the president of a country because his country has machine guns? Seriously?

They're going to need an extremely corrupt judge to make any of that stick.

bufalo1973@tuiter.rocks

@taatm @randahl in Spain the far right says the president is not legit and must be jailed... because they weren't elected. That doesn't mean the current president didn't follow the rules to become president. So by the far right idea, the US should invade Spain to kidnap the president... when he didn't break the law to become it. Don't you see the problem? Imagine another country where the opposition asks China to kidnap the president saying "s/he is not the president (because we say so)". Would it be right for China to do the same the US has done in Venezuela?

davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.social

@randahl

In that case, surely the President of the United States can be kidnapped, taken to another country, and be held accountable for his crimes in a court of law there.

atlovato@mastodon.social

@androcat @randahl - WACO TACO is the Rogue State not the US. My Speculation.

atlovato@mastodon.social

@snowpaint @randahl ; Great Answer

atlovato@mastodon.social

@jmrr @randahl

raganwald@social.bau-ha.us

@randahl Conservatism:

“There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

Anti-conservatism:

“The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.”

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

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