From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.
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@econproph @ChrisMayLA6 What confuses me is why the people aren't defending themselves. The USA has things like the second amendment, stand your ground, castle doctrine, and more guns than people - why aren't ICE goons getting shot left right and centre?
@TimWardCam @econproph @ChrisMayLA6
Perhaps because the resistance is smart enough to realise that escalation by shooting ICE agents is exactly what MAGA want? The more that peaceful innocent protesters and bystanders get murdered, the more the opposition grows. -
From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.
I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...
(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.
@ChrisMayLA6 I've nothing to add other than to say: Holy smokes - this thread.
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It's against the law in most states to put a tracking device on someone else's car.
If there was a coordinated effort to put illegal tracking devices on government vehicles I am sure there would be federal RICO charges and mass arrests for unlawful conspiracy.
While it would be "easier", it likely would simply gut the ability to resist.
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@HarriettMB @ChrisMayLA6 Depending where you're located, yes. There's a reason that ICE rolled into places that don't have a high gun ownership level, they are not going where there's a high chance they will be fired at.
@nini @HarriettMB @ChrisMayLA6
I disagree on the guns.
The Americans with more than a single dusty gun in a closet/drawer are loving this MAGA power trip. They're the ones getting the $50k ICE signing bonuses. And they're absolutely silent about Renee Good (like they're always silent about women and minorities under American fascism).
No, the ongoing civil war won't be violent when the other side has tanks and planes. As always, it will be disobedience - let the #GeneralStrike begin!
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@guardeddon @ChrisMayLA6 secession attempts would cause outright civil war. Remember that the federal govt. is heavily armed.
I believe we'll see interstate agreements to do things that the federal govt. used to do. If things fall apart completely, these associations could become the basis of regional entities.
@d_a_n_a @guardeddon @ChrisMayLA6
A US state seceding is not viable.
The federal gov would nationalize the state militia (splitting it) and send in masses of federal troops.
It didn't work against cannons and rifles. It certainly won't work against tanks and jets.
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@Crowsinger @ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps People say 'Trump can't cancel elections, it's against the law', forgetting that Trump is a terrorist, who doesn't care about the law. He'll cheat as much as anyone has ever cheated before, even if it means staging another bloody-coup.
@Morgawr @Crowsinger @ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps
Of course, there will be American elections. Even Russia has elections.
The questions are who can vote and who counts? Republicans have been rigging all three for years.
Even if the House of Representative flips (likely), Trump has made Congress irrelevant. It won't matter. We are now in a monarchy.
Dems MUST flip the Senate too, and stop his horrific appointments, to even start towards a "self-correction".
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@ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps personally (again, UK so this might look different locally), I've watched this building for decades. Bush v Gore. Gerrymandering and voter discouragement. Education decisions in red states. Militarisation of the police. Everything Mitch McConnell ever touched. Citizens United.
Self-correcting will take a heck of a lot more than voting in a Democrat (otherwise Biden would have been enough). It will take decades of work and electeds willing to make radical change.@Flisty @ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps
Agreed
The basic restoration of American democracy will require a new US Constitution that removes dirty money, reduces the power of the presidency and ensures a fair and easy election system.
It will also require a major deMAGAfication of the judiciary.
We are talking a generation-long project, at the earliest.
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@ChrisMayLA6 The threats are real and the risks are high, but Trump is krazy. Wall St. has done well with tax cuts, but the (theoretical) interest rate caps, corporate profit caps, corporate pay caps, general uncertainty, geopolitical uncertainty, and increasing toxicity of Trump and MAGA politics mean the backlash is going to be spectacular (just from the powers that be). Protests and violence can be magnified or diminished at will by corporate media. Trump's coalition is diffuse and thinning.
Putin and Kim have done very well, and are very secure, by taking an ever larger portion of a shrinking economy.
Trump idolises them. And much more clever people around him are watching how they do it.
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From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.
I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...
(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.
@ChrisMayLA6 this is an accurate a assessment. The president has grifted and raped himself into a corner: either remain in our till he dies or go to jail for a lifetime of grifting and rapping.
As it appears another election cycle will curtail his power and open him to responsibility for a life of crime he needs to stop these elections from happening. This narcissistic asshole keeps lighting fuses hoping for an explosion big enough to justify suspending the Constitution.
We're already at war
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@kaiser_franz @ChrisMayLA6 IMO this is very good analysis. The USA is not - yet - in civil war territory, but that does not deny that things are terrible, and will remain terrible for some time.
@robparsons @kaiser_franz @ChrisMayLA6 #ClassWar knows no regional bounds. And it's the inevitable conclusion to our founding. Americans have been taught to worship the oligarchs that liberated us from the tyranny of monarchs. But you can't worship freedom and capital without tearing yourself apart. Capitalism requires slavery/an exploited caste to function and that's antithetical to the freedom and liberty at the core of American ideology.
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