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Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

    Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

    In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

    Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

    You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

    "Journalism" today

    sloanlance@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #9

    @_elena @Gargron
    My favorite French press…

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    • ticho@mas.toT ticho@mas.to

      @_elena I'm surprised this kind of stuff even reaches mainstream press, normally they try to ignore any "computer-stuff" not backed by large corporations.

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      #10

      @ticho @_elena they're promoting w in the article so they need to slander mastodon.

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      • laxsill@social.spejset.orgL laxsill@social.spejset.org

        @_elena quit his own network? From what I can tell from following @Gargron , he seems both active in the platform and for the mastodon movement, a bit of a libelous statement

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        #11

        @laxsill @_elena Yeah he stepped down from his job position but certainly didn’t quit Mastodon altogether. That was either lazy reporting or a poor interpretation of Eugene’s blog post. But he’s definitely still around.

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        • aaronmccollum@fosstodon.orgA aaronmccollum@fosstodon.org

          @laxsill @_elena Yeah he stepped down from his job position but certainly didn’t quit Mastodon altogether. That was either lazy reporting or a poor interpretation of Eugene’s blog post. But he’s definitely still around.

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          #12

          @aaronmccollum @_elena tbh it doesn't feel lazy, it feels like a tendentious way to phrase it to give the impression of conflict

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

            Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

            In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

            Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

            You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

            "Journalism" today

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            #13

            @_elena @Gargron
            "JoURnaliSM"

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              @KitsuneVixi indeed

              The chef's kiss is that according to LinkedIn, the author of the article has been a teacher of journalism at La Sorbonne and has published numerous books.

              This is not a 19-year-old intern casually writing about tech: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/françois-saltiel-42725334

              @Gargron

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              #14

              @_elena that’s why "old" and "wise" are two different words 😉

              Cc: @KitsuneVixi @Gargron

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                "Journalism" today

                ramsey@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #15

                @_elena @benroyce @Gargron They could have replaced “Eugen” with “Jack” and made a true statement because Jack did quit his own network (Bluesky) over the behavior of its users.

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                • bilchi@nrw.socialB bilchi@nrw.social shared this topic
                • ramsey@phpc.socialR ramsey@phpc.social

                  @_elena @benroyce @Gargron They could have replaced “Eugen” with “Jack” and made a true statement because Jack did quit his own network (Bluesky) over the behavior of its users.

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                  #16

                  @ramsey @_elena @benroyce @Gargron

                  Who says trollsmanship has no pro-social value?

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                    Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                    In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                    Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                    You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                    "Journalism" today

                    benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #17

                    @_elena @Gargron

                    yup

                    #corporate "#journalism"

                    we are on #mastodon/ #fediverse because the profit motive in corporate #socialMedia means privacy defilement, free reign for bigotry/ ignorance, and #algorithm manipulation by #plutocracy agendas

                    the same applies to the #news #media:

                    #ventureCapital takes over dying traditional media outlets and puts right wing goons in the managing editor positions

                    we have nonprofit news (#NPR, #ProPublica, #TheGuardian, etc)

                    trust them

                    all else: beware

                    _elena@mastodon.social_ atlovato@mastodon.socialA stuartb@social.teamb.spaceS 3 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @_elena @Gargron

                      yup

                      #corporate "#journalism"

                      we are on #mastodon/ #fediverse because the profit motive in corporate #socialMedia means privacy defilement, free reign for bigotry/ ignorance, and #algorithm manipulation by #plutocracy agendas

                      the same applies to the #news #media:

                      #ventureCapital takes over dying traditional media outlets and puts right wing goons in the managing editor positions

                      we have nonprofit news (#NPR, #ProPublica, #TheGuardian, etc)

                      trust them

                      all else: beware

                      _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #18

                      @benroyce perfectly said Ben!!! 🙌

                      I just found a video of the CEO of W Social at Davos literally going: "10 years ago we were saying that data is the new oil, but right now we say HIGH QUALITY data is the new oil."

                      To me it kind of reads like a confession / motivating force behind (1) creating W Social (2) using AT Proto for their "European alternative to X." Ouf.

                      atlovato@mastodon.socialA deadinside@but.still.drinkin.coffeeD zbrando@social.vivaldi.netZ 3 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                        Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                        In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                        Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                        You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                        "Journalism" today

                        naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #19

                        @_elena I didn't listen to it, only read the text. I wouldn't judge all journalists based on one example.
                        He states: "Tout cela est très marketing pour W, qui saisit une fenêtre d’opportunité" and while talking about Zeiter's great experience in marketing and publicity he nails the big problem of Mastodon.

                        Mastodon has neither the money nor the human power for big lobbyism/marketing.
                        I know, Mastodon fans don't like to hear it but it's a fact. And the size of a network depends on

                        @Gargron

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                        • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                          @_elena I didn't listen to it, only read the text. I wouldn't judge all journalists based on one example.
                          He states: "Tout cela est très marketing pour W, qui saisit une fenêtre d’opportunité" and while talking about Zeiter's great experience in marketing and publicity he nails the big problem of Mastodon.

                          Mastodon has neither the money nor the human power for big lobbyism/marketing.
                          I know, Mastodon fans don't like to hear it but it's a fact. And the size of a network depends on

                          @Gargron

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                          #20

                          @_elena how many politicians, organisations and journalists will join - because then the masses will join. If we want that is another question.

                          So yes, it's just one of these "quick" broadcast contributions where an author doesn't interview people directly (or did he?) and graps the informations on the desk. And these were definitively the press release/publicity of Zeiter ...

                          @Gargron

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                          • aaronmccollum@fosstodon.orgA aaronmccollum@fosstodon.org

                            @laxsill @_elena Yeah he stepped down from his job position but certainly didn’t quit Mastodon altogether. That was either lazy reporting or a poor interpretation of Eugene’s blog post. But he’s definitely still around.

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                            #21

                            @aaronmccollum That's my impression too: it was a quick production because Zeiter's press release was on the table, so they quickly opened a blog page for a second structure, took a look, wrote something, and that was it.

                            These three-minute pieces are done under enormous time pressure. And very few listeners remember them afterwards.

                            @laxsill @_elena

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @benroyce perfectly said Ben!!! 🙌

                              I just found a video of the CEO of W Social at Davos literally going: "10 years ago we were saying that data is the new oil, but right now we say HIGH QUALITY data is the new oil."

                              To me it kind of reads like a confession / motivating force behind (1) creating W Social (2) using AT Proto for their "European alternative to X." Ouf.

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                              #22

                              @_elena @benroyce 👍

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @_elena @Gargron

                                yup

                                #corporate "#journalism"

                                we are on #mastodon/ #fediverse because the profit motive in corporate #socialMedia means privacy defilement, free reign for bigotry/ ignorance, and #algorithm manipulation by #plutocracy agendas

                                the same applies to the #news #media:

                                #ventureCapital takes over dying traditional media outlets and puts right wing goons in the managing editor positions

                                we have nonprofit news (#NPR, #ProPublica, #TheGuardian, etc)

                                trust them

                                all else: beware

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                                #23

                                @benroyce @_elena @Gargron 👍

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce perfectly said Ben!!! 🙌

                                  I just found a video of the CEO of W Social at Davos literally going: "10 years ago we were saying that data is the new oil, but right now we say HIGH QUALITY data is the new oil."

                                  To me it kind of reads like a confession / motivating force behind (1) creating W Social (2) using AT Proto for their "European alternative to X." Ouf.

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                                  #24

                                  @_elena That CEO used to be Chief Privacy Officer at eBay.. lol. Goes to tell what shape eBay's privacy is in, and what to expect from that BS project.

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @_elena @Gargron

                                    yup

                                    #corporate "#journalism"

                                    we are on #mastodon/ #fediverse because the profit motive in corporate #socialMedia means privacy defilement, free reign for bigotry/ ignorance, and #algorithm manipulation by #plutocracy agendas

                                    the same applies to the #news #media:

                                    #ventureCapital takes over dying traditional media outlets and puts right wing goons in the managing editor positions

                                    we have nonprofit news (#NPR, #ProPublica, #TheGuardian, etc)

                                    trust them

                                    all else: beware

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                                    #25

                                    @benroyce @_elena @Gargron
                                    I don't even trust The Guardian - too many of their "journalists" are trust fund babies who can't get jobs doing anything else, who regard poverty as a hypothetical rather than something that too many people know from experience, and are just as ready to throw trans folk under the bus as their right wing counterparts.

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                                      Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                                      In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                                      Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                                      You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                                      "Journalism" today

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                                      #26

                                      @_elena

                                      it is a fork of Bluesky

                                      Ah! Thanks! I was wondering wtf this “W Social” is supposed to be, and a quick duckduckgo left open more questions than it solved…

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        @benroyce perfectly said Ben!!! 🙌

                                        I just found a video of the CEO of W Social at Davos literally going: "10 years ago we were saying that data is the new oil, but right now we say HIGH QUALITY data is the new oil."

                                        To me it kind of reads like a confession / motivating force behind (1) creating W Social (2) using AT Proto for their "European alternative to X." Ouf.

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                                        #27

                                        @_elena @benroyce We don't need another silo...

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          RE: https://mamot.fr/@imacrea/115977976198245094

                                          Current status: fuming with rage at the SHEER INEPTITUDE of the French press in covering W Social and Mastodon.

                                          In the article linked below "journalist" François Saltiel wrote that @Gargron "quit his own network [Mastodon] because he was fed up with the behavior of certain users."

                                          Eugen referred to deleting his bridge to Bluesky, not quitting Mastodon FFS.

                                          You should know Mr. Saltier simply rehashed W Social's press release and failed to mention it is a fork of Bluesky...

                                          "Journalism" today

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                                          #28

                                          @_elena @Gargron Wow, this, well, article is... something. In German jurisprudence, I guess this would most likely fall under “false factual claims” and can have legal consequences for the author. As it is not “only” directed against one person, but against the network as a whole and can have very negative consequences, I would at least consider taking legal actions against this person.
                                          The crucial point is: Is this false factual claim being claimed as fact, or is it being expressed as opinion?

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