I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.
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The real question is evaluating that risk given it's all at whim, could be good, could be bad, anyway which way the wind blows?
@trelord75 I don’t need to quantify the risk particularly, but I do need to think about what would prompt me to cancel the trip before departure, or bring everyone home mid-trip. In both cases a military buildup nearby would be a trigger to cancel the trip and go home.
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@trelord75 I don’t need to quantify the risk particularly, but I do need to think about what would prompt me to cancel the trip before departure, or bring everyone home mid-trip. In both cases a military buildup nearby would be a trigger to cancel the trip and go home.
True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.
That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.
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True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.
That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.
@trelord75 I know the typical US military air movements for a normal season (I’ve even flown on some of them, as military aircraft support science projects) and so any OSINT showing ships, helicopters, tanker aircraft or non-transport aircraft in the area will indicate something will happen.
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True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.
That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.
Also worth noting, the other place is tropical, your destination is ice covered, they need established assets to gain any foothold, if they destroy them then they would have to build, already defeated themselves if they do that.
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Also worth noting, the other place is tropical, your destination is ice covered, they need established assets to gain any foothold, if they destroy them then they would have to build, already defeated themselves if they do that.
@trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.
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I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.
@drmikepj My kid just turned down an invitation from a British friend to join them for eclipse-viewing in Iceland this summer--because my kid is trans, and was afraid they wouldn't be let back into the US.
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@trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.
@trelord75 my main concern is the ensuing logistical chaos after an invasion, rather than the relatively small risk of being killed by military action
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@trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.
I just keep thinking of the Team Amer1kkka theme song, ckfu yeah, coming through to save ...
Those guys are gunna have a field day with all this junk, and so they should.
(obligatory "Matt Damon" as a sign of love & respect)
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I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.
@drmikepj A year ago that would indeed have been a far fetched idea.
But, the announcements have been repeated already multiple times since. -
@drmikepj My kid just turned down an invitation from a British friend to join them for eclipse-viewing in Iceland this summer--because my kid is trans, and was afraid they wouldn't be let back into the US.
@epicdemiologist that’s very sad
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@drmikepj A year ago that would indeed have been a far fetched idea.
But, the announcements have been repeated already multiple times since.@AngelaScholder indeed, hence my concern! I’ve been doing fieldwork in Greenland every year for the last four years, this is the first time I’ve had to take a threat of war seriously
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@pthane yes - basically we’ll cancel the fieldtrip if there’s a US military buildup before we leave the UK, and in any case we’ll make additional arrangements with the university and UK government science officials so people know where we are in case there’s a surprise
@drmikepj
I'm sure you considered how to get the people out, but don't forget a rapid shutdown and data evacuation plan. -
I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.
@drmikepj Interesting thought! Out of curiosity - which mitigation did you suggest?
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@mloxton indeed! Fortunately our data goes live by satellite so that’s one less thing to worry about.
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@drmikepj Interesting thought! Out of curiosity - which mitigation did you suggest?
@mortenlarsen basically we will keep an eye on the situation and if there’s evidence of unusual military activity pre-trip, we’ll cancel pre-emptively. If stuff starts to happen whilst we’re on site, we’ll decide whether to abandon camp and go back to town, or whether to stay in camp (relatively safe if the town and airport itself are being attacked) and deal with consequences later.
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@AngelaScholder indeed, hence my concern! I’ve been doing fieldwork in Greenland every year for the last four years, this is the first time I’ve had to take a threat of war seriously
@drmikepj Yes, you will have to take it really serious.
I wouldn't be surprised if by June you would need a US visa.....
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@mloxton indeed! Fortunately our data goes live by satellite so that’s one less thing to worry about.
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I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.
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@mycotropic
That's a whole other risk, but if you think of the satellite link as a continuous backup to your home repository, if the link goes down, you still have everything saved up to that point, and you are going to be scramming anyway. @drmikepj
