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  • arnebab@rollenspiel.socialA arnebab@rollenspiel.social

    @zymurgic how do you make sure that gmail and other big providers accept your emails?

    @jwildeboer

    jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #20

    @ArneBab Have your SPF, DKIM, DMARC configured correctly. Configure TLS with Letsencrypt. Don't immediately start with blasting thousands of newsletters or other spammy looking stuff. Have your host and reverse DNS entries configured correctly. That's really all. @zymurgic

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    • zymurgic@mastodon.onlineZ zymurgic@mastodon.online

      @ArneBab @jwildeboer
      1. Get your outbound IP address ranges from a reputable supplier, ie not lowest-common-denominator mass-market retail ISP. L2TP tunnel them to where your system is hosted from a reputable supplier if you have to.
      2. Matching Forward/Reverse DNS.
      3. DMARC, DKIM, SPF.
      4. Never send anything unsolicited to anyone ever.
      5. Only ever email existing customers about updates to their current services or their current orders.
      6. Use a domain name that isn't new with good reputation.

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      #21

      @zymurgic thank you!

      I’m asking because I know that my old university had a lot of problems with that (sending a newsletter once a year about the yearly conference to a few thousand subscribers and making sure to actually reach them all).
      @jwildeboer

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      • catsith@ieji.deC catsith@ieji.de

        @jwildeboer @q maybe you can shed some light on this: https://www.coinerella.com/made-in-eu-it-was-harder-than-i-thought/#:~:text=Certain%20TLDs%20cost%20significantly%20more%20when%20purchased%20through%20European%20registrars.?

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        #22

        @catsith @jwildeboer @q

        ooh, I like your text selection anchor! How long has that been a thing?
        I've never seen that before in a URL!

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        • catsith@ieji.deC catsith@ieji.de

          @jwildeboer @q maybe you can shed some light on this: https://www.coinerella.com/made-in-eu-it-was-harder-than-i-thought/#:~:text=Certain%20TLDs%20cost%20significantly%20more%20when%20purchased%20through%20European%20registrars.?

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          #23

          @catsith @jwildeboer taxes? lack of volume discounts? not really sure tbh

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          • chewie@mammut.gogreenit.netC chewie@mammut.gogreenit.net

            @catsith @jwildeboer @q

            ooh, I like your text selection anchor! How long has that been a thing?
            I've never seen that before in a URL!

            eudoxos@witter.czE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #24

            @chewie @catsith @jwildeboer @q https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/URI/Reference/Fragment/Text_fragments#browser_compatibility

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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              "I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."

              https://www.coinerella.com/made-in-eu-it-was-harder-than-i-thought/

              We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions here, but that's not the point. Someone tried and shared. That's the point.

              #DigitalSovereignty #SelfHost #Cloudless

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              #25

              @jwildeboer How can one be sure that a European hosting company is not a big tech reseller who puts your data on a server in the US?

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              • quantumaspect@mastodon.socialQ quantumaspect@mastodon.social

                @jwildeboer How can one be sure that a European hosting company is not a big tech reseller who puts your data on a server in the US?

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                #26

                @QuantumAspect It's a process called due diligence 😉 These requirements should be part of the selection process. Serious vendors will answer such questions truthfully.

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                • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                  @jwildeboer interesting view but was harder meant or more complex more apt? Perhaps, as it is new learning, it being challenging would be expected anyhow.

                  As more people favour European solutions, the documenation and supoort forums should improve no end.

                  Thanks for the post.

                  autholouise@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #27

                  @EF @jwildeboer Totally see your point. When something involves new learning, a certain level of complexity is almost expected. Trying to shift infrastructure choices is never going to feel frictionless at first.

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                  • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                    @jwildeboer interesting view but was harder meant or more complex more apt? Perhaps, as it is new learning, it being challenging would be expected anyhow.

                    As more people favour European solutions, the documenation and supoort forums should improve no end.

                    Thanks for the post.

                    autholouise@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #28

                    @EF @jwildeboer I also agree that as more people adopt European solutions, documentation and support ecosystems should mature quickly. Community momentum can change things fast.

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                    • ferricoxide@blahaj.zoneF ferricoxide@blahaj.zone

                      @jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                      I sometimes wonder whether, as a US-based person, it might not still make sense to move my vanity-domains to a non-US alternative to Linode (for my needs, a hyperscaler's pricing structure just never makes sense). The idea first popped up when Linode got bought by Akmai, but was really only ever notional. With the fuckery around Trump 2.0, it was a smidge more than just notional ...but still a very low-priority brain-bug.

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                      #29

                      @ferricoxide @jwildeboer feel the post was aimed at people to 'buy local' but for those in the US, perhaps the message is look for local alternatives to Big Tech rather than buy European, although you'd be most welcome too.

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                      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                        "I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."

                        https://www.coinerella.com/made-in-eu-it-was-harder-than-i-thought/

                        We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions here, but that's not the point. Someone tried and shared. That's the point.

                        #DigitalSovereignty #SelfHost #Cloudless

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                        #30

                        @jwildeboer good article 👍

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                        • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                          "I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid."

                          https://www.coinerella.com/made-in-eu-it-was-harder-than-i-thought/

                          We need more stories like this being shared in the open. You can criticise some parts of the decisions here, but that's not the point. Someone tried and shared. That's the point.

                          #DigitalSovereignty #SelfHost #Cloudless

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                          #31

                          @jwildeboer

                          Absolutely floored at how little self-hosting is in this mix.

                          My employers self host basically everything

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                          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                            @ArneBab Have your SPF, DKIM, DMARC configured correctly. Configure TLS with Letsencrypt. Don't immediately start with blasting thousands of newsletters or other spammy looking stuff. Have your host and reverse DNS entries configured correctly. That's really all. @zymurgic

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                            #32

                            @jwildeboer @ArneBab @zymurgic can confirm, this works surprisingly well and there are tools to help you with setting it up, debugging and monitoring it.

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