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The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video.

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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    #93

    It is so annoying. Reading is so much faster than video and comprehension from reading is much better, too.

    If you can write a script for a video, you can at least post it with your video.

    @Daojoan

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    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

      The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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      #94

      @Daojoan Yes, I greatly prefer a concise, written 'how to' above the endless blathering on a video.

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      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

        realgene@hachyderm.ioR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #95

        @Daojoan
        Yesterday, my Brother laser printer, which is generally a nice, invisible piece of machinery, was apparently soliciting strange computers on the Internet, because there were literally thousands of triggers of a firewall rule I set up forbidding access to the printer from outside, primarily to prevent firmware upgrades.

        So I attempted to log in to the printer's web console, which requires an SSL connection, but it wouldn't respond to that.

        When I searched for why I couldn't log in, the results were either from Brother, all of which told me to tell the browser to accept the cert (which it couldn't, because the printer wouldn't accept a TLS connection at all), or YouTube videos saying/showing EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

        So I factory reset it, and was then able to log in (after telling the browser to accept the self-signed cert).

        And the outside attacks stopped.

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        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

          The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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          #96

          @Daojoan Writing good guides is so much harder. Modern life gravitates towards the easy path.

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          • miszeleq@mastodon.com.plM miszeleq@mastodon.com.pl

            @earthshine @Daojoan

            I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

            IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

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            #97

            @miszeleq @earthshine @Daojoan

            Yes.
            #Discord is where information goes to die.

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            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

              The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

              raisondetredev@mastodon.deR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #98

              @Daojoan I always hated video tutorials. Esp. because the format is inherently hard to adjust for updates.

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              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                #99

                @Daojoan
                I can intellectually appreciate that some people find videos easiest to learn from. But I find them so inefficient to be essentially useless. And, of course, poor references because you can't just quickly go back and re-read a section.

                Only once, years ago, I found instructions on a particular crochet technique that only came in a video that was useful because the creator had content links marked so you could jump to a section. Kudos to them for taking the time to add that feature!

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                • miszeleq@mastodon.com.plM miszeleq@mastodon.com.pl

                  @earthshine @Daojoan

                  I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

                  IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

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                  #100

                  @miszeleq @earthshine @Daojoan I blame stackoverflow.

                  That guy set out with the stated goal of killing all forums and usenet and having all questions and such in one central database used by everyone.

                  It fucking worked. Those things all died and search results largely point at that place. AI is starting to swamp it out, but there you go...

                  I was actually slow to shift from usenet/forum to stackoverflow. Eventually I did until I just stopped participating in the "community".

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                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                    #101

                    @Daojoan yes! We had a discussion about this at my customer, and a user survey. The result has been 50/50 between video and written. We did a blended learning concept and we decided to choose the best for the users .

                    I agree , I like written as well more

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                    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                      The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

                      fsinn@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #102

                      @Daojoan omg this. Every click to a link is painful.

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                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

                        jmmaok@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #103

                        @Daojoan

                        FWIW, many educators also find this terrible from an instructor’s point of view. Of course, some enjoy it. But for many it shifts the focus from teaching, learning, and subject matter to performing on screen, which is not what we got into the field for in the first place.

                        Do not underestimate the extent the ongoing “pivot to video” reflects what can be monetized rather than actual preference or effectiveness.

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                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                          The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                          #104

                          @Daojoan Like an university lecture without text books and lecture notes. Can't be that bad, right? Its not like development is complex and (often) hard....

                          #teaching #slop

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                            #105

                            @Daojoan Now there is a AI button on youtube videos which you can use for summarizing the video or asking other questions.

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                              #106

                              @Daojoan when I tell people that the video is basically garbage because I’m never gonna watch it, just peel off the transcript, they look at me in utter shock but man I cannot glean information from some rando droning on and on about everything except the thing, then two sentences on the thing, and now we’ve moved onto tangential shores.

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                              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                #107

                                @Daojoan As if they are meant to be training some GenAI tool or something.

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                                • miszeleq@mastodon.com.plM miszeleq@mastodon.com.pl

                                  @earthshine @Daojoan

                                  I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

                                  IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

                                  orb2069@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #108

                                  @miszeleq @earthshine @Daojoan

                                  We're going to find out in twenty years that the endless torrent of spam that drove people away from public forums to Discord and Facebook was funded/aided by Facebook and Discord.

                                  It's fucking Jia Tan, all the way down. I know it in my bones.

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                                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                    #109

                                    @Daojoan the inability to process written language was the first slice at the throat, imo.

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                                    • jmmaok@mastodon.onlineJ jmmaok@mastodon.online

                                      @Daojoan

                                      FWIW, many educators also find this terrible from an instructor’s point of view. Of course, some enjoy it. But for many it shifts the focus from teaching, learning, and subject matter to performing on screen, which is not what we got into the field for in the first place.

                                      Do not underestimate the extent the ongoing “pivot to video” reflects what can be monetized rather than actual preference or effectiveness.

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                                      #110

                                      @JMMaok @Daojoan

                                      This. YouTube is the last place pretending to pay people actual money. The twenty-minute leadup is them shaking the cup to pad out the runtime long enough to get monetized.

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                                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                        #111

                                        @Daojoan not to toot my own horn too much, but this has been annoying me for YEARS, and after pushing for way too long there's now interactive learning built into #Grafana.. as in, If you go to https://play.grafana.org/alerting , click the question mark in the upper right, and then select the interactive guide, it teaches you within the UI

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                                        • lil5@social.linux.pizzaL lil5@social.linux.pizza

                                          @Daojoan what might help is to try different search engines that focus on blogs and lower the ranking based on ads and tracking.

                                          https://searchmysite.net/

                                          https://kagi.com/

                                          https://www.mojeek.com/

                                          https://mwmbl.org/

                                          The big two trackers (google & bing) actively give big tech and ads supported websites higher ratings, leaving independent blogs in the dust, at page 8.

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                                          #112

                                          @lil5@social.linux.pizza @Daojoan@mastodon.social Thanks for these links.

                                          In my experience, mojeek can sometimes be good at showing personal sites but it can also show a lot of SEO spam that appears AI generated and there's a lot missing from its index. It's like rolling the dice whether it will have any useful results to a query and I ended up quitting it because it was so unreliable.

                                          Kagi often has low quality results but what you're paying for is the the filtering tools which can help dial things in.

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