Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.
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@sundogplanets How would a data center event work in outer space? Heat would build up. Unless I'm missing something and the idea is to have something super worse than regular DCs down here?
@kiri @sundogplanets you’re not missing anything; this is absolutely the problem with data centers, structures famously constrained by their ability to reject heat, in space, a place famous for its insulative properties. It’s stupid.
Not to mention that data centers require maintenance and equipment replacement. This aspect of data centers is why companies decided not to put them in the ocean (where heat would be easier to reject). How do they think they’ll do maintenance? Or do the satellites just become trash after a few years?
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If anyone has time and energy to set up instructions for how to submit a comment to the FCC (it's really fucking complicated, on purpose, I'm sure), I would very much appreciate it! Otherwise I'll do it in the coming days.
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@kiri @sundogplanets you’re not missing anything; this is absolutely the problem with data centers, structures famously constrained by their ability to reject heat, in space, a place famous for its insulative properties. It’s stupid.
Not to mention that data centers require maintenance and equipment replacement. This aspect of data centers is why companies decided not to put them in the ocean (where heat would be easier to reject). How do they think they’ll do maintenance? Or do the satellites just become trash after a few years?
@mmcknett @kiri
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constrained..reject heat, in space.. It’s stupid...
data centers require maintenance and equipment replacement@sundogplanets
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fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use #satellites for centuriesAnything #SpaceX wants is probably crap bc #ElonMusk is the guy driving the bus
And another way to destroy the use of space satellite tech is to have #WW3 which is what will only make big tech richer, 🥵
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@sundogplanets How would a data center event work in outer space? Heat would build up. Unless I'm missing something and the idea is to have something super worse than regular DCs down here?
@kiri @sundogplanets laser guns for the AI uprising...
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@sundogplanets may be a blessing in desguise, i mean if (when) they fuck up, it will (force) the US to clean their mess by inventing tech to clean out there (if scientifically possible i'm not well known in space physic).
You are way more optimistic than I.
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You are way more optimistic than I.
They'd just argue over who is responsible and do nothing until we're Kessler'd.@shaknais @sundogplanets more pragmatic, if half internet crash and some comunication become imposible, the pressure from both international entity and their own citizen will be so high they cannot do nothing.
The cost on the other end will cripple their economy, because clearning space will not be cheap
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@shaknais @sundogplanets more pragmatic, if half internet crash and some comunication become imposible, the pressure from both international entity and their own citizen will be so high they cannot do nothing.
The cost on the other end will cripple their economy, because clearning space will not be cheap
Most of the internet is underground, not over your head. There would be little impact on that front.
And what sattelites there are, are at different orbit heights than the proposal, limiting the impact further.
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Most of the internet is underground, not over your head. There would be little impact on that front.
And what sattelites there are, are at different orbit heights than the proposal, limiting the impact further.
@shaknais actually some internet comunication are handled by satelite, and many TV channel too, but yeah majority are sea cable.
but the GSM network use it quite often actually so goodbye 4G and 5G in many region, the tower will still emit it, but it might be isolated from the network (as not all tower in all country are fibered).
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@kiri @sundogplanets you’re not missing anything; this is absolutely the problem with data centers, structures famously constrained by their ability to reject heat, in space, a place famous for its insulative properties. It’s stupid.
Not to mention that data centers require maintenance and equipment replacement. This aspect of data centers is why companies decided not to put them in the ocean (where heat would be easier to reject). How do they think they’ll do maintenance? Or do the satellites just become trash after a few years?
@mmcknett @kiri @sundogplanets
There's also the problem that computers running in space must be more resistant to radiation than the ones we use down here.
The chips used there are different (and slower), use bigger semiconductor scale.AFAIK this just can't work, even aside from the issue of having a million additional satellites...
(see https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horrible-no-good-idea/)
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@mmcknett @kiri @sundogplanets
There's also the problem that computers running in space must be more resistant to radiation than the ones we use down here.
The chips used there are different (and slower), use bigger semiconductor scale.AFAIK this just can't work, even aside from the issue of having a million additional satellites...
(see https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horrible-no-good-idea/)
@Doomed_Daniel oh yeah, I can’t believe I forgot they have to be radiation-hardened, too!
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@kiri @sundogplanets laser guns for the AI uprising...
@acm_redfox @kiri @sundogplanets Ice Particle Shotgun Missiles; the ice would hopefully melt under solar radiation and/or enter atmosphere after dislodging/shredding tf out of objects in orbit, maybe? First strike failed? More melting blammo ice cloud blasts. No lazers, grappling hooks, precise kenetic munitions, nukes, etc. Just a cloud of ice belched from high atmo from a dumb metal casing and a falling trajectory.
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@acm_redfox @kiri @sundogplanets Ice Particle Shotgun Missiles; the ice would hopefully melt under solar radiation and/or enter atmosphere after dislodging/shredding tf out of objects in orbit, maybe? First strike failed? More melting blammo ice cloud blasts. No lazers, grappling hooks, precise kenetic munitions, nukes, etc. Just a cloud of ice belched from high atmo from a dumb metal casing and a falling trajectory.
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@sundogplanets How would a data center event work in outer space? Heat would build up. Unless I'm missing something and the idea is to have something super worse than regular DCs down here?
@kiri @sundogplanets It doesn't have to work. It just has to trick rich people into thinking it might work.
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If anyone has time and energy to set up instructions for how to submit a comment to the FCC (it's really fucking complicated, on purpose, I'm sure), I would very much appreciate it! Otherwise I'll do it in the coming days.
@sundogplanets@mastodon.social A milliuon satellites is utterly barking insane. Based on the rate they're burning out GPU/VPUs in AI datacenters, my rough estimate is they're going to need 140 Falcon 9 launches PER DAY just to sustain the constellation. A million satellites that need replacement every 18 months on average?
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Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf
Comments due March 6.
I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.
@sundogplanets But SpaceX will “scal[e] to make a sentient sun to understand the Universe and extend the light of consciousness to the stars!” How could you possibly be against that?!?
Yeah, it’s batshit crazy, Musk is hyping for IPO (although I don’t know if he believes it himself… he’s huffed his own farts a few times too many). I’ll be astonished if more than, I dunno, a few dozen ever get launched. By that point, it should be clear what a stupid idea it is.
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@sundogplanets But SpaceX will “scal[e] to make a sentient sun to understand the Universe and extend the light of consciousness to the stars!” How could you possibly be against that?!?
Yeah, it’s batshit crazy, Musk is hyping for IPO (although I don’t know if he believes it himself… he’s huffed his own farts a few times too many). I’ll be astonished if more than, I dunno, a few dozen ever get launched. By that point, it should be clear what a stupid idea it is.
@UweHalfHand @sundogplanets
I think it's more about justifying the purchase of xAI, which otherwise makes no sense, not that orbital data centers make the tiniest bit of sense. It's part of a pattern of Musk using one of his companies to buy another to protect him from the shame of the purchased company going belly up. See Tesla/Solar City and xAI/X for previous examples. Don't be surprised if Neuralink is next. -
@UweHalfHand @sundogplanets
I think it's more about justifying the purchase of xAI, which otherwise makes no sense, not that orbital data centers make the tiniest bit of sense. It's part of a pattern of Musk using one of his companies to buy another to protect him from the shame of the purchased company going belly up. See Tesla/Solar City and xAI/X for previous examples. Don't be surprised if Neuralink is next.@VATVSLPR @sundogplanets Yeah, I think you’re right. It’s some crazy tapdancing, I’m just not sure how much of it Musk believes himself… I’d be prepared to believe any number between 0 and 100%
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Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf
Comments due March 6.
I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.
If other countries have any sense, they'll shoot them down after notifying the UN whatever pertinent commitee.
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Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf
Comments due March 6.
I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.
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@UweHalfHand @sundogplanets
I think it's more about justifying the purchase of xAI, which otherwise makes no sense, not that orbital data centers make the tiniest bit of sense. It's part of a pattern of Musk using one of his companies to buy another to protect him from the shame of the purchased company going belly up. See Tesla/Solar City and xAI/X for previous examples. Don't be surprised if Neuralink is next.@VATVSLPR @UweHalfHand @sundogplanets like a stupidity ponzi scheme. Using the first stupid as a down-payment on future stupid.
