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  • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

    If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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    #16

    @osm_tech @josephcox

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    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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      #17

      @osm_tech definitely not google’s doing

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      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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        #18

        @osm_tech
        Decades ago when I read Dune I thought the Butlerian Jihad against computers was the silliest thing in it.

        Suddenly it makes sense. The sooner the LLM AI bubble bursts the better!

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        • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

          If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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          #19

          @osm_tech this sounds right up 404 medias alley.

          They all have contacts and have reported on museums and Wikipedia having similar issues.

          https://www.404media.co/about/

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          • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

            If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

            raineer@frontrange.coR This user is from outside of this forum
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            #20

            @osm_tech cc @404mediaco as well

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            • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

              If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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              #21

              @osm_tech You guys are heroes, nonetheless!! ✊

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              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                #22

                @osm_tech hey @emanuelmaiberg this sounds interesting and might add yet another part to your reporting on museums and others being scraped.

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                • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                  If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                  #23
                  @osm_tech You are definitely not alone: https://lwn.net/Articles/1008897/ The situation is not sustainable but I'm not sure what we do about it beyond waiting for the AI bubble to burst.
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                  • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                    If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                    #24

                    @osm_tech what is a embedded-Sdk network?

                    alivedevil@tauri.earthA osm_tech@en.osm.townO 2 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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                    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                      #25

                      @osm_tech so I recently read a couple writeups from @briankrebs about malware and residential proxies

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                      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                        fooker@infosec.exchange
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                        #26

                        @osm_tech @dangoodin maybe this might be up your alley? If not you may know someone appriopriate

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                        • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                          @osm_tech what is a embedded-Sdk network?

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                          #27

                          @utf_7 @osm_tech

                          App developers can embed some "Sdk" into their apps or games.
                          The developer receives money.
                          The "Sdk"-provider proxies requests through these apps and games, to gain residential IPs.
                          And scrapers can buy these services, to tunnel their requests from residential IPs.

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                          • alivedevil@tauri.earthA alivedevil@tauri.earth

                            @utf_7 @osm_tech

                            App developers can embed some "Sdk" into their apps or games.
                            The developer receives money.
                            The "Sdk"-provider proxies requests through these apps and games, to gain residential IPs.
                            And scrapers can buy these services, to tunnel their requests from residential IPs.

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                            #28

                            @utf_7 @osm_tech

                            This gets ugly really fast, if you want to see the full extent: <https://alternativeto.net/software/netnut-proxy-network/> for a list of _known_ residential proxy-providers.

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                            • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                              If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                              #29

                              @osm_tech You're absolutely not alone, we wish you good luck! ~n

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                              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                #30

                                @osm_tech@en.osm.town 404 media might be interested in this - they've been doing a lot of pieces about the impact of AI

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                                • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                  If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                  #31

                                  @osm_tech maybe @civio @dcabo can be interested or help finding someone

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                                  • alivedevil@tauri.earthA alivedevil@tauri.earth

                                    @utf_7 @osm_tech

                                    App developers can embed some "Sdk" into their apps or games.
                                    The developer receives money.
                                    The "Sdk"-provider proxies requests through these apps and games, to gain residential IPs.
                                    And scrapers can buy these services, to tunnel their requests from residential IPs.

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                                    #32

                                    @AliveDevil @utf_7 @osm_tech how do I know of any of my installed apps is doing this crap? Could that be just buried in terms of use? Or would I need to give it explicit consent?

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                                    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                      #33

                                      @osm_tech
                                      @leah just recently discussed the same topic from the perspective of a web hosting provider in the @chaosradio podcast.

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                                      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                        #34

                                        @osm_tech @geerlingguy I would 100% watch a video about that. Just throwing it out there 🙂

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                                        • luksfarris@ruby.socialL luksfarris@ruby.social

                                          @AliveDevil @utf_7 @osm_tech how do I know of any of my installed apps is doing this crap? Could that be just buried in terms of use? Or would I need to give it explicit consent?

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                                          #35

                                          @luksfarris @utf_7

                                          Probably terms of use, but this is so shady, that I doubt anyone would even bother disclosing this.
                                          Best you can do: Monitor network traffic, and use DNS block lists for these known proxy services.

                                          They definitely won't ask you for consent.
                                          The only way to know an app _doesn't_ use these services is checking for the "requires internet access"-flag in AppStores, but that is basically futile, as most apps require internet access for … something.

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