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  • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

    Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

    You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

    AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

    Reject this future.

    Keep your hardware local.

    Run #Linux.

    Own your data.

    The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

    #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

    https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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    #60

    @terminaltilt This is so infuriating. I am so happy that I finally decided to swith full time to Linux like 3 months ago. The thing that kept my under the microsoft thumb was a few softwares I used for work. I spent some time finding alternatives and adjusted my workflow. So worth the time and effort.

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    • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

      Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

      You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

      AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

      Reject this future.

      Keep your hardware local.

      Run #Linux.

      Own your data.

      The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

      #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

      https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

      ninesigns@birdity.clubN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #61
      @terminaltilt This Jeff Bezos quote is like 10 yr old
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      • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

        Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

        You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

        AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

        Reject this future.

        Keep your hardware local.

        Run #Linux.

        Own your data.

        The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

        #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

        https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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        #62

        @terminaltilt Rent to not-own

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        • filobus@sociale.networkF filobus@sociale.network

          @terminaltilt and if you really have to go cloud, don't go to them, don't surrender and become their captive

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          #63

          @filobus @terminaltilt What other options are there? Oracle? Microsoft? If you had to use the cloud, where do you go to avoid the big guns and trump buddies?

          c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC filobus@sociale.networkF b00g13@mastodon.com.plB 3 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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          • dutchking@mastodontech.deD dutchking@mastodontech.de

            @terminaltilt

            Meine Daten auf meine Festplatte, und das seit ich einen PC habe

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            #64

            @dutchking @terminaltilt Same here, I never used a cloud.

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            • tokyo_0@mas.toT tokyo_0@mas.to

              @terminaltilt I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can they be both wanting to kill local confusing and pushing "AI pcs" that can perform AI calculations locally at the same time?

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              #65

              @tokyo_0 @terminaltilt AI PCs can't do AI Calculations locally. They simply have one-key access to AI. For instance a Microsoft AI computer has a Copilot key on the keyboard. All AI computing is done at data centers. No home computer has the power to do AI work.

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              • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                Reject this future.

                Keep your hardware local.

                Run #Linux.

                Own your data.

                The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                #66

                @terminaltilt Rentier class need stringing up. Or strapped down, eitherway heads must roll.

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                • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                  Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                  You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                  AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                  Reject this future.

                  Keep your hardware local.

                  Run #Linux.

                  Own your data.

                  The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                  #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                  https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                  #67

                  @terminaltilt Well, didn't we have that mainframe situation when we started with computers?

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                  • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                    Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                    You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                    AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                    Reject this future.

                    Keep your hardware local.

                    Run #Linux.

                    Own your data.

                    The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                    #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                    https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                    #68

                    @terminaltilt "Reject this future. :NoAI: & Keep your hardware local." = always did & always will 😀

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                    • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                      Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                      You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                      AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                      Reject this future.

                      Keep your hardware local.

                      Run #Linux.

                      Own your data.

                      The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                      #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                      https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                      #69

                      @terminaltilt considering I can get work done & have fun with any of fifty different sbcs (pi & its competitors, arduino, esp32) this isn’t a dire risk.

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                      • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                        Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                        You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                        AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                        Reject this future.

                        Keep your hardware local.

                        Run #Linux.

                        Own your data.

                        The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                        #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                        https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                        #70

                        @terminaltilt So what can we do about it?

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                        • cnx@awkward.placeC cnx@awkward.place

                          You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                          @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social, this already happened, through the form of applications that are thin clients to SaaSS.

                          Run Linux. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/tux.png" title=":tux:" />

                          Run <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/gnu.png" title=":gnu:" /> or something idk, but Linux users are renting computing powers through SaaSS. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/android.png" title=":android:" />

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                          #71
                          @cnx @terminaltilt I use Linux. and I have never ever used any SaaS.
                          and yes, it is Linux with only a very few GNU untils. because I can build Linux-based system without gnu utils at all. this is not important and does not have any special meaning,
                          really, I don't like it where GNU goes nowadays and prefer to avoid it, except, maybe GCC with is not ruined yet (but they try!).
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                          • ninesigns@birdity.clubN ninesigns@birdity.club
                            @terminaltilt This Jeff Bezos quote is like 10 yr old
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                            #72
                            @ninesigns @terminaltilt yeah, it really sounds like 10 years old kid. a mentally healthy adult person cannot say such a rubbish.
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                            • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                              Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                              You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                              AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                              Reject this future.

                              Keep your hardware local.

                              Run #Linux.

                              Own your data.

                              The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                              #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                              https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                              #73

                              @terminaltilt Once they have a complete monopoly, they could charge their clients a fortune -which they would be obliged to pay, in a completely #digital society Besides, once they literally own our data juridically, they could reveal, cq sell them to any company or other instance, without even asking. - In connection with a #neofascist state, this would create hell for individuals. We would be deprived of all political, socio-economic and personal, including digital rights.

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                              • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                Reject this future.

                                Keep your hardware local.

                                Run #Linux.

                                Own your data.

                                The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                #74

                                @terminaltilt Linux isn't a panacea and, in many ways, it's not ready for consumer prime time but, given the alternatives, it's the only choice for thinking users.

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                                • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                  Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                  You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                  AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                  Reject this future.

                                  Keep your hardware local.

                                  Run #Linux.

                                  Own your data.

                                  The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                  #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                  https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                  #75

                                  @terminaltilt No vuelvo a comprar nada en la tienda del calvo, 😡

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                                  • iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.orgI iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
                                    @ninesigns @terminaltilt yeah, it really sounds like 10 years old kid. a mentally healthy adult person cannot say such a rubbish.
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                                    #76
                                    @iron_bug @terminaltilt it's very funny to namecall those you disagree with as "kids" or "insane".

                                    He was perfectly sane and rational in his position to wish for bringing everything to cloud to make money of it.
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                                    • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                      Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                      You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                      AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                      Reject this future.

                                      Keep your hardware local.

                                      Run #Linux.

                                      Own your data.

                                      The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                      #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                      https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                      #77

                                      @terminaltilt

                                      Watch the latest one-hour-presentation of Cory doctorow at 39c3 about anticircumvention law and the war on general-purpose computer. And search the eff site for countermeasures

                                      https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/

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                                      • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                        Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                        You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                        AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                        Reject this future.

                                        Keep your hardware local.

                                        Run #Linux.

                                        Own your data.

                                        The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                        #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                        https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                        #78

                                        @terminaltilt Him and all the other billionaires and tech bros can go fuck a cactus. 🌵 They can kiss it and call it Ramona if they want. Billionaires should not exist. They’re the cancer of our societies. #BillionairesShouldNotExist

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                                        • andre_ourednik@mastodon.socialA andre_ourednik@mastodon.social

                                          @terminaltilt As much as I abhore anything that Jeff does and represents, I see an environmental point in a rental model. In the sense that ownership of hardware in a programmed obsolescence industry model is ecologically worse. Most people run their daily apps on massively overpowered individual machines, produced at huge environmental cost. And I see potential in sharing hardware here. But definitely not on AWS. Rather local hubs, something like a decentralized network of remote processors

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                                          #79

                                          @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt You're likely significantly overestimating the difference, and it may not even be a positive one. Servers in datacenters get rotated out and disposed of on a fixed schedule, typically, long before they actually stop working - whereas consumer hardware often gets handed down until it literally breaks.

                                          Not to mention all the technical and resource overhead of remote anything. That network hardware and corresponding power use isn't free to the environment either.

                                          If you're looking for a way to materially reduce the environmental footprint of computing, I would suggest that "the advertising industry" is probably the first place to look instead. They're responsible for a vast, vast chunk of energy and resource usage in computing and networking, while providing marginal to no value to society - it's a purely extractive industry.

                                          Even ignoring the web, look up the power consumption of a single one of those video ad units they put on train stations and in shopping centers, and you'll probably be reeling from just how environmentally wasteful all this stuff is - and consumer hardware will suddenly look like a drop in the bucket. As a teaser: virtually all of those advertising screens have audible active cooling despite sound insulation attempts.

                                          So... no, there's really no environmental point in a rental model. Insofar it makes any positive difference at all, that sure isn't the intention behind it, and all it does is further support an extractive culture that destroys the environment with no consideration for anything but its own profits. You don't even get to choose whether the hardware is turned on anymore. That is not an environmental win.

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